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[Nostalgica]

I would be happy to discuss preflop, and I do talk about this somewhat in my analysis videos, but overall, hands like A3 and K5 are not any better HU than it is in FR or 6Max.

[cryptcougar]

congrats

[chinz]

Originally Posted by Nostalgica

I woulhands like A3 and K5 are not any better HU than it is in FR or 6Max.

I disagree strongly. There's a lot of people against which you can go for the home run (valuebet every street) when you flop a pair with A3 or K5... In 6max that's never true. When we are talking about mediocre hands, high card value is more valuable in HU, while in 6max you want to have drawing hands.

HU: Any TP = always nuts
6m: TPTK = nuts in most boards
(with little exaggeration )

In 6max I'd much rather have 75s than hand like K7o, but in HU it's the other way around (especially against bad opponents).

edit:
Also the showdown value of A/K highs is a lot higher in HU than it is in 6max.

[podbelski]

With my very limited experience in HU, I've already felt everything Chinz is talking about, so +1

[Nostalgica]

Hmm, those are obviously valid points, but I feel that the same dynamic that allows this HU can allow this in 6max also, and against some players, Kx Ax hands will no longer be that strong, especially OOP, compared to a suited hand that can be more useful for semi bluffing as opposed to seeing showdown.

I also think this varies greatly with your WTSD stat, which fluctuates with how good you're running and who you're playing against. A lot of players have a significantly high WTSD stat (I do somewhat) compared to 6max, but a lot of others will be running at 28-30~

Also, I think K7 is a fairly good hand OTB or even CO 6max, and are hands I'd defend in the BB HU. I was mostly talking about A6- K6- which is where I draw the line for preferring 2 middling connectible cards (6+ 6+) over them.

Ax Kx have value in 6max for their blockers and I am raising the majority of them CO, BTN, and SB, and that I feel they can be shown down 6max as well as HU. I don't really think the difference between HU 6Max is that extreme depending on how loose you play 6max and how tightly HU.

[podbelski]

BTW, it appeared I really suck in HU cash (tried NL50). I have difficulties formulating what is the cause of it, but I have a feeling I sense it.

I've played two sessions, one with halfstacked fishy-fish, another is with semi-decent fish. Both times it was obvious for me how far behind their understading of the game is. Nevertheless, I've ended even the 1st one, and losing some amount the 2nd, and was raked hard. The problem is I clearly see my style does not give enough edge to beat the rake, whereas in 6max NL50 it works pretty nice. So it comes to the differencies between games, something that I'm missing... Seems HU cash should be played MUCH faster and aggro, and this is hard to do if you value (made) hands the same way as in 6max. Ugh... can't come up with exact things to talk about here...

Surprizingly, I'm doing obviously better in HUSnGs. First, this is due to absense of money pressure. 2nd, rake is not a problem, you are raked the same regardless of hands played. The thing is my style does not change much from HU Cash, but the nature of the game allows to be profitable with it.

[TheDeKay]

Since ppl defend lighter in HU and you steal with more hands... of course the strengh of K7 or A6 goes up.

If you consistenly play that loose from the Co in 6max you never played against a good player on the Bu. They will pretty much crush you, if you play so wide.
I even have problems /w those weakish hands from the SB vs BB, if BB is a strong player.

I'm not a huge fan of defending /w K7 (vs a 3x steal; vs 2x steal it's fine), maybe K7s but def not K7o.

? I think, there is a huge difference in game dynamics between HU and 6max.

[tdc007]

Congrats Nostalgica!! This man has helped my HUsng game immensely. I think I was the first one to take him up on his coaching offer, and my bankroll has been growing ever since.

Thanks Nos!!!

[Nostalgica]

Originally Posted by TheDeKay

Since ppl defend lighter in HU and you steal with more hands... of course the strengh of K7 or A6 goes up.

If you consistenly play that loose from the Co in 6max you never played against a good player on the Bu. They will pretty much crush you, if you play so wide.
I even have problems /w those weakish hands from the SB vs BB, if BB is a strong player.

I'm not a huge fan of defending /w K7 (vs a 3x steal; vs 2x steal it's fine), maybe K7s but def not K7o.

? I think, there is a huge difference in game dynamics between HU and 6max.

I do not think the range of OTB 6max and OTB HU should differ too much. CO and SB, of course, is significantly different because, as you suggested, the introduction of a player in position (I am not sure if I agree with "crush" exactly as again I assume to have some postflop edge against the villain). With a good player in position, life will be made much more difficult, but I do very often ignore this because at the small stakes most regs are not that strong and even the more aggressive ones have leaks, but I definitely appreciate the difference between having the button. In those cases, I would think that the ranges of being OTB 6max and defending a BTN raise in the BB in 6max, would be similar to in HU. I would defend K7s, in both scenarios and K8o or K7o depending on how loose my opponent is.

I will note that players tend to be looser HU than in 6max, but I see this more as a range issue than a format issue. I merely change my generalizations for ranges to be tighter in 6max than in HU. Suited gappers are stronger vs a tighter range and K7 A7 type hands have greater value when there are more Q7 J7 T7 78 97 type hands, obviously.

My meaning in saying it's the same is that I can find the same opponent that I prefer Ax Kx in 6max just as I would in HU, and vice versa for suited gappers. It's not a format issue (HU vs 6max) but merely tendencies, and I do not think these tendency stereotypes are too useful as each player can be very different.

[TheDeKay]

In HU you should steal way more than in 6max often since you already have money invested in the pot and there is only 1 more player. In comparison in 6max/FR you have no money invested in the pot yet (on the Bu) and there are 2more players...
So of course it's a game format issue
It's WAY harder to steal 70% of your hands in 6max than HU profitably.

And now say, somebody is stealing 50% of his hands from the Bu in 6max (and that's quite a lot). You are basically flipping against his range, but he has position and additionally it's way easier for him to balance his range (cause you have a 3bet and a call range from the BB and if you call you already have partly defined your range) and he can put quite a lot of pressure on you. Like 60% of the time you will flop nothing and the rest of the time will be hard to play as well.
If the opponents are weak - yes, sure, you might be able to defend K7s, but against ppl who are almost as good or better than you, you will basically bleed money if you defend K7 every time in 6max.

6max definatly plays tighter than HU. I would agree that FR and 6max play quite similar in LP and SBvBB though.