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Old 02-08-2010, 01:46 AM
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Having money invested in the pot, in the sense that your steals are half a big blind cheaper, yes, makes your steal range somewhat wider, but the difference is not significant as the main reason you raise is still because you have position. For instance, being called raising ATC OTB is not a huge deal at all, whereas defending ATo OOP even vs a very loose player can put you in a far less comfortable situation even though your hand is way ahead of the button range.

In the end it's hard to argue. I think we simply disagree; I play very loosely in 6max and FR, up to 30/24, and one of my favourite coaches, BoboFittos, plays even looser, and I assure you he is a profitable player. It is perhaps because I am an SSNL player and have never gone past 200NL, but the vast majority of players I've seen I do actually consider "very weak", not necessary weak-tight, but having lots of leaks and taking transparent lines, and unthoughtful bet-sizing.

I am raising 100% OTB vs the vast majority of players at full ring because the majority of them are terrible. You cannot really reach 28-32 VPIP without playing this loosely, and as even at high stakes some players can play this loosely profitably, I think you cannot legitimately argue that playing loosely is bad in most reasonable circumstances.

As for the Ax vs suited gapper debate, Ax is strong, but in the end I am folding them OOP vs a solid TAG (TAG as far as HU goes) just as much as I am folding weak gappers, not much different from HU.

As for a hand like K7s K8o, you are right it is not strong. I am not calling because I am way ahead of villain's range though. I am calling because of a) pot odds b) implied odds (and c) image).

Why implied odds? I feel that I will make better decisions, even with position disadvantage, against a large percentage of players. At the same time, I will fold these hands or even stronger vs good aggressive players, but there are very few of those.
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Old 02-08-2010, 02:14 AM
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Do you rly win /w K7s and alike from the BB vs Bu?
If yes, how many tables do you play at what limit? Cause I feel like it's pretty impossible, if your opponents are half solid.
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Old 02-08-2010, 02:49 AM
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To be fair, that is the bottom of my range which is why I used it as an example, and yes my range HU is somewhat looser, but my opens are about as loose, which is my earlier point. It is mostly my defend range which is tighter 6max, and I mostly played 100NL for FR, before I moved to Razz and HU, so my experience is mostly with weak regs. I did play a lot of tables though.

That said Kxs are good 3bet or 4betting hands, so it is not like I am folding Kxs in general too too much as I dislike 3betting suited gappers and connectors. I suppose a better example is a hand like J9o T9o T8s, which, yes, I will defend vs a button raise and expect to make a profit.

And yes, I have checked this on my HEM stats, and have posted similar stats in another thread, but my mid connected and suited gappers etc, are overall losing less money than 50bb/100 in the SB and 100bb/100 in the BB (some are losing more due to sample, of course) when being defended in the blinds.
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:36 AM
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Yeah ok, if your opponents allow you that, it's great to steal rly wide. Most villains I play do adjust to it and if SB and BB are playing back at you, it's hard to steal A LOT.
And I think, that in FR (at least the 200NL FR games on FTP) ppl tend to give up their BB more often, so stealing there is rly profitable. At 400NL+ 6max it's hard to steal more than 40-50% in my opinion.

From my experience: Many fish don't steal thaaat often, so you don't need to defend a wide range and I don't want to play a lot oop vs regs so J9o is a fold for me most of the time.
And yes, I like Kxs and Qxs to 3bet as well.
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