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Old 08-27-2008, 12:00 PM
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Villain is becoming a maniac to me. He has played virtually every hand so far and seems to bet big with both strong and bluffing hands. He is running at 93/44/2.8. What do we do here?

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UTG ($36.05)
MP ($24.65)
CO ($81.20)
Button ($68.35)
SB ($35.05)
Hero ($85.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q.
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button raises to $1.5, SB calls $1.40, Hero raises to $5, UTG folds, MP folds, Button calls $3.50, SB calls $3.50.

Flop: ($15.50) A, 8, J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, Button calls $9, SB folds.

Turn: ($33.50) K (2 players)
Hero????
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Old 08-27-2008, 05:45 PM
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check and let him hang himself imo. If he checks behind that is completely fine since you don't fear getting outdrawn at this point. You're either way ahead or way behind. And if the latter is the case I think you have to pay him off purely because of his crazy image ? There should be a ton of worse hands he could have here.

If you check and he bets full pot, I puke but still get it in. cause I'm a spewtard. I don't think it's that bad against a guy this nuts.

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93/44? wow !
I would check/shove.
If we bet again, he'll probably flat call. And with a blink on a river I would have a problem in figuring out am I in front or not.
If we shove, obviously he'll throw away a hand behind or call us with at least a coin.
If we check I guess he'll bet 99%, either with smth, either completely bluffing and pretty much talk himself into calling our shove with any.
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I'd squeeze to $7.50 preflop. As played, I'd bet $10.50-11 on the flop. As played, I'd CRAI on the turn.
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Ok, continuing on...

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UTG ($36.05)
MP ($24.65)
CO ($81.20)
Button ($68.35)
SB ($35.05)
Hero ($85.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q.
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button raises to $1.5, SB calls $1.40, Hero raises to $5, UTG folds, MP folds, Button calls $3.50, SB calls $3.50.

Flop: ($15.50) A, 8, J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, Button calls $9, SB folds.

Turn: ($33.50) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets All in (HH is not avail right this sec ) Hero???
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Hit "Time" , puke, take a deep breath, puke again, once you're done, clean up the mess you've just made, then call.
I don't blame you if you play it conservatively and fold, though, purely because you're deepstacked. And even he might not go this crazy and risk 2 buyins on a bluff or whatever weak hand he might have, unless you saw him do otherwise

Btw as a sidenote I believe you folded, correct ?

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Unless you have some history of you hero calling him that he could be trying to exploit, I snap call this and do a little dance to celebrate the 3 buyins you're about to get shipped.
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Should call. Although, I'm being optimistic and actually think we're far in front.
I put him on TT with T of diamonds.
I've noticed this on micros A LOT. Donkeys - just shoving. And here's awkward thing, in theory this should mean that they are donkeys and don't know how to value bet, because of this they shove and reveal their hand strength. And this is absolutely true.. On a river!!
I've noticed, if there's a big pot or at least a medium-well sized one, they would shove turn immediately on a draw, having ~ double more in stack than there's pot. I guess that they're thinking something like: "Okay, pot is big, I'm just gonna go all-in and probably he'll fold or still I'm (surely) gonna hit my draw on river and anyway I don't care about this money".
And this is exactly what I wouldn't be surprised to see in this hand a lot of times, although you lost it as I understand.
C'mon, if you really hit that, you wanna GET PAID, usually a donkey would check thinking you'd bet river (we'll of course check if we won't improve) and here's exactly the spot they would shove, being desperate, as I was talking earlier.
You hit it - you wanna get paid, you don't overbet pot with shoving all-in and scaring you're opponent. And donkeys either stupidly check in position or minbet or bet very small.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Qquel
Btw as a sidenote I believe you folded, correct ?
Not saying just yet

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And this is exactly what I wouldn't be surprised to see in this hand a lot of times, although you lost it as I understand.
Honestly, whether I won this hand or not really is not the point. The key here is to make the right decision. If we concentrate on making the right decisions, the money will come






















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Unless you have some history of you hero calling him that he could be trying to exploit, I snap call this and do a little dance to celebrate the 3 buyins you're about to get shipped.
This... I was going to suggest a crai before seeing he shoved already.

This isn't a wa/wb situation, this is a way ahead/slightly behind situation.
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