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Old 08-30-2008, 10:54 PM
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not quit sure about this hand, i felt that my play was correct but did not feel great about it. should i fold flop with getting only 2 to 1 to call, but i do think he will stack if i hit so implied odd arent too bad. once the turn blank and he commits most of his stack i cannot see a call here.

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Old 08-30-2008, 11:36 PM
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As played it's a fold.

I think there is some mathematical merit to shoving the flop but it's read dependant.
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Old 08-31-2008, 05:40 AM
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As played it's a fold.

I think there is some mathematical merit to shoving the flop but it's read dependant.
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Old 08-31-2008, 06:30 AM
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I'm getting it in on this flop against anyone who I believe is capable of 3betting anything but QQ+... as played you have to fold.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:34 AM
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I don't think you have great odds to get it in on the flop. To call the flop bet, you really need to be sure he has a strong hand and is gonna fire one more barrel and call an all in, because you are only going to show a little profit if you hit and you stack him.
In conclusion, calling once is fine, because the implied odds are ok. But pay attention not to overestimate them (common mistake).
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Old 08-31-2008, 06:39 PM
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This is definitely a tough one, you have a decent amount of equity on the flop but with a bet like that on the turn, at these stakes, I find it's usually someone has either two pair or a set and gets over excited (I'm guilty of this as well). Although I do see loose players doing this with AK, AQ......A LOT.
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Old 09-02-2008, 07:26 AM
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Im shoving the turn. you have 8 clean str8 outs and 6 possible TP outs. Shoving is by far the best move imo.
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