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Old 09-01-2008, 06:30 AM
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Default I hate these spots

What do you do on the river? The guy is playing a tight game and he hasnt done anything out of the ordinary, but what hand could he have?

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BB ($35.15)

UTG ($42.60)

MP ($29.30)

Hero (Button) ($25.80)

SB ($26.50)



Preflop: Hero is Button with A Q

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60



Flop: ($2.55) 2 A K (3 players)

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2.25, 1 fold, BB calls $2.25



Turn: ($7.05) 5 (2 players)

BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB calls $4.50



River: ($16.05) 4 (2 players)

BB bets $16.05, Hero folds



Total pot: $16.05 | Rake: $0.80

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Old 09-01-2008, 07:17 AM
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I hate these spots too The worst thing is that his river donk doesn't polarize his range at all. If he had a flush draw, he could be bluffing here on a 4 card straight board. If he had a weak ace - he either caught 2pair or a straight and is value betting. I think you played it fine, except for the turn bet which could've been bigger, around 6~.
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:22 PM
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but what hand could he have?
I would probably have to call here because of this. I would expect aces up or a set to have raised by the turn.
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Old 09-02-2008, 03:27 AM
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I would probably have to call here because of this. I would expect aces up or a set to have raised by the turn.
What I was trying to say was that he is either bluffing here, or he caught something on the river and that's why he didn't raise the turn/flop.
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Old 09-02-2008, 05:35 AM
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What I was trying to say was that he is either bluffing here, or he caught something on the river and that's why he didn't raise the turn/flop.
Isn't that the definition of a polarized range?

I would have folded this. When people take this line it's very rarely anything but a monster. Just because he should've raised before now with a big hand doesn't mean he doesn't have one.

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Old 09-02-2008, 06:29 AM
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I just couldnt put him on a hand. He was a normal player so I dont think he would call preflop with any random crap hand and he would have reraised AK. So the only hand I can put him on is pocket deuces but he would have raised me on the flop or turn.

Also he is not bluffing OOP on the river because he must know that I like my hand after I raised preflop, bet flop and turn. I am fairly sure that I am beat in this hand but I cant figure out by which hand. Maybe A4 or A5 or A3. I used to call this down just out of curiosity.

On the other hand , his bet on the river was not really good. Why does he bet so big if he wants to get called by TP? If he would have bet smaller I guess I'd call it. If he would have checked , I would have checked behind.
I asked him to show his hand but he didnt.
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Old 09-02-2008, 07:00 AM
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you are probably beat here more than not. I would weight his range heavily to monsters untill im proven otherwise.
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Old 09-02-2008, 07:03 AM
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Isn't that the definition of a polarized range?
Lol, it is. For some reason I said the complete opposite in my first post. My mind must've been wandering far far away.
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I think that he had A3s. That's the most consistent hand with the line he took Imo. On the river he just wanted to get tricky and shoved the (practical) nuts, trying to represent a missed flush draw bluff.
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:38 PM
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Agree w/ folding here but he is a tight calling the big bet on the flop OOP on a AKx board, may be we could check the turn and then checking or calling a psb on the river.
Is this too weak a line for us?
He will scarcely draw to a flush given his range out of the blind.
Is this guy going to call 3 streets w/ TP? if no, we do not loose much value from weaker ace, as he will certainly bet the river after our cbet/check turn line; he may even bet some pocket pairs and some KQ. So we loose less when behind, and gain more when ahead.
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