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Old 09-03-2008, 03:26 PM
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Villain is 21/21/7 with a steal % of 42 over 100+ datamined hands.

As played, do you call? Comments on all streets appreciated. What does anyone think about just shoving over the preflop 3-bet?
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Old 09-03-2008, 03:57 PM
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as played i think that we have to fold. the way that the hand played out i think that you will see the A or K of diamonds way too often. If he had a hand like KK or AA without the diamond i do not think that he is going to check the turn, and if he does fire the river i feel it would probably be for less knowing that you could easily have a strong enough diamond to call or raise.

if you think that this is the type of player that will get it in preflop with JJ 1010 or AK, AQ type hands, then i think a shove would be fine. if not you are really only going to get called by hands that have you crushed and folded by hands that you crush, so shoving would not serve much of a purpose.

i do think that we should raise on the flop. This is a great flop for us and he can very well be firing a cbet with AK or worse and we want to define his hand better. by calling on the flop and checking on the turn we really have no idea were we are at in the hand. That is what makes this river so tough for us. we have no idea where we are at. he can very well just be firing to take the pot away from us as we played the hand so weakly
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Old 09-03-2008, 04:54 PM
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As played I'd fold. I dont think he is bluffing too often here and neither is he valuebetting unless he has the ace.

try to get it in on the flop or shove the turn if your raise gets called. There are tons of draws and TT-JJ you can get value from.
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Old 09-03-2008, 06:33 PM
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4bet or call are both fine preflop, but I wouldn't shove. Raise the flop and get it in.
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Raise flop w/ the intention of felting.

As played, fold.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:49 PM
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A reraise preflop I think is ok here as it can really help to define his hand and lets him know you are serious about yours, and lets face it there are a ton of flops that QQ does not want to see. It may also be a resteal attempt as he is positionally aware with that steal %.

flop: reraise again from me same reason as above and his bet can either be a blocker or for value and unless he has AA he is not going to like a reraise here.
turn: bet
river: As played, I would hate it but I would reluctantly fold the river.
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:00 PM
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4bet or call are both fine preflop, but I wouldn't shove. Raise the flop and get it in.
This...

Against an aggressive looking villain I like a call PF since his likely way behind and is very likely to c-bet.

As played I'm not sure that I could fold... it was a pretty good card for him to bluff, you haven't shown much confidence in your hand, and he seems aggressive... so yeah, I'd pay it off.
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Old 09-04-2008, 04:13 PM
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Hi. with this opponent I would 4 bet him, not shove. Thus he will reevaluate his hand and 60% will fold. Giving you AA,KK,QQ. So if he smooth calls, you are pretty much sure that he has AKo,AKs,AQs, if he is maniac small Pocket pair.
When the flop comes and he donks to you, insta reraise all in. Sure with Nut flush draw he will probably calls. But nothing you can do at this point. Played correctly got all money in whe you are ahead.
I had this situation 3 times today twice, won twice, got sucked out 3rd time. Everytime my opponent had AKs,AQs,AKo
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:12 PM
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I'm fine with the preflop call, but you misplayed it postflop. You need to shove this flop 100% of the time. A/K/9/T all suck on the turn or river.

On river I might fold. His bet doesn't seem like a bluff, most people would bet less or bet more in that spot as a bluff.
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:26 AM
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Preflop: ok

Flop: misplayed as stated by given1982

You call preflop and you hope on a low board: you get it and you only call his flop bet? Why?
Whenever I call a 3-bet preflop with QQ, I already have decided what I will do on the flop if no A or K drops: shove or fold! This is ofcourse abit read dependent.

As played: fold to the river bet.
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