Ugh

[given1982]

Same villain both hands:

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: $43.67
BTN: $175.96
SB: $50
BB: $5.59
Hero (UTG): $104.55

Pre-Flop: dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN raises to $7.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $25.75, CO folds, BTN calls $18

Flop: ($54) (2 Players)
Hero bets $25, BTN calls $25

Turn: ($104) [ ] (2 Players)
Hero bets $53.80 and is All-In, BTN calls $53.80

River: ($211.60) [ ] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $211.60 Pot ($3.50 Rake)
BTN showed and WON $208.10 (+$103.55 NET)
Hero showed and LOST (-$104.55 NET)


Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $66.66
CO: $21.35
BTN: $98.35
SB: $22.78
Hero (BB): $109.80

Pre-Flop: dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.75, SB folds, Hero raises to $6.50, BTN calls $4.75

Flop: ($13.25) (2 Players)
Hero bets $10, BTN raises to $20, Hero raises to $47, BTN raises to $91.85 and is All-In, Hero calls $44.85

Turn: ($196.95) [ ] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($196.95) [ ] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $196.95 Pot ($3.50 Rake)
BTN showed and WON $193.45 (+$95.10 NET)
Hero showed and LOST (-$98.35 NET)

[JibNinjas]

those are pretty sick man!

that first one is enought to make you want to vomit. lol

[Colossos159]

Wow, those really suck especially against the same player. I'll bet you have a note on that guy
I am beginning to wonder if shoving AK preflop is really +EV (I do it but its not something I like to do):
- you are a huge dog against AA KK
- coinflipping with any pair
- bad beats against K5 and others
- do people fold enough preflop to make it beneficial?

[Aji89]

Originally Posted by Colossos159

Wow, those really suck especially against the same player. I'll bet you have a note on that guy
I am beginning to wonder if shoving AK preflop is really +EV (I do it but its not something I like to do):
- you are a huge dog against AA KK
- coinflipping with any pair
- bad beats against K5 and others
- do people fold enough preflop to make it beneficial?

I think it's player dependent.

1) OP probably knows that villian is a fish who will stack off with a lot of hands which are crushed/behind his AK so he knows KK,AA are only a small proportion of the hands he's getting called by.

2) By shoving he also maximises his fold equity as a lot of medium to smaller pocket pairs are forced to fold. Besides he already has some $ invested in the pot so being in a coinflip situation can't be -ev.

3) The chance of a bad beat isn't a reason not to make a certain decision. This kinda relates to the first point. Villain is getting it in as a big underdog a high % of the time so shoving AK against him is obviously +ev as 80% of the time OP takes his stack.

I do agree that against a lot of players shoving AK like this may not be profitable but against opponents like this it would be. Knowing what situations to do it is the key. I for example at times don't shove AK when in hindsight I realise that it's what i should've done.

Btw, that 1st hand absolutely sickens me to the core, bad luck man.