this is a fold imo, yours?

[Newblish]

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this guy 100% has AA imo. hes a shove happy moron who shoves evey good hand he gets. He insta shoved my bet. I was debating so hard to fold preflop based on the raise too.

Edit : i had KK

[R8tme]

Hi. IN my opinion you should reraise him preflop 100% and if possible get all money in preflop. You run in to AA, bad you will lose most of the time, But even then will suck sometimes.
His line is more likely bs, but you played with him and he dd that a couple of times.
Usually also when players start to overbet and shove, they are ready to leave, and they want either double up, do fancy move to remember or get busted.

[Newblish]

well, i will say one thing - i am a nit. But even so, i am almost positive he had aces. i have a note on him that says : shoves or raises only premium hands. I thought long and hard preflop about reraising, but again, it jsut felt so certain. When he insta shoved teh flop i knew i was beat though, realistically(to justify a call) i was at best flipping with the other 2 kings at that rate.

its real tough though, i assume people tihnk im crazy for my line here, but sometimes your reads are your best ally.

[given1982]

I played this villain a lot at this level and site. I have him at 12/6/4.3 over 3,000 hands. Even though he is a nit, this is a must-3bet preflop. As played, I'm calling his shove, because he's very aggressive postflop and is shoving over your donk bet a lot wider than you think.

[SirCharlesZA]

Ok im new here but have played some small stakes cash game on Prima Network. Hope that I can add some value here and get some from you guys as well. Looks like a nice community for small stakes player which I am as well.

Any case back to the hand:

Folding KK preflop is very -eV and you should almost never consider that on the lower limit cash games preflop. You will see guys play AK/AQ/etc like they AA and in the long run you will lose or lose out on lots of moola.

Agree with previous comments that you have to 3-bet pre. If he does shove on you then, only then can you consider folding. Personally i still stick it in with KK cause you up against non-AA hands enough of the time.

Once you have overpair to the board you are in a sticky situation if you put him on AA. Again I call his shove cause most guys will try and get value from AA in a spot like this.

[FishAndChips]

If you have stats on the guy, have seen him play, and are confident he has aces 100% of the time here, then you should definitely fold because you're behind.

I want to introduce a different way of looking at all in situations for you though. This is kind of long but bear with me.

The natural tendency for a lot of poker players when faced with a decision to call or fold to an all in bet is either

1) Yes! I have him beat! I'll call!
or
2) He's just got to have ________. I'm behind so I'll fold.

It's great that poker players are going through how the hand was played, interpreting the betting language, and trying to put players on a hand. The mistake that a lot of players make is putting players on ONE hand versus a range of hands.

It is extremely unlikely that you're ever going to encounter a situation where there is only one possible hand that your opponent can have. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it certainly does, and if you have that strong a read on your opponent then I'm not doubting that he had aces and you made a great laydown with KK.

But most of the time, your opponent will play a hand in the exact same fashion with a variety of hands. For example, having no background on this player other than the fact that "hes a shove happy moron who shoves evey good hand he gets", my interpretation is that he overplays group I hands. Is he playing AQ the same way here? How about KK? How about QQ or JJ?

Let's assume that he's going to play only AQo, AA, KK, or QQ in this fashion.

There are 12 combos of AQ that he can possibly have, 8 combos of AA, 6 combos of QQ, and one combo of KK. So you have 12 of his hands beat, chopping with one combo, and there are 14 hands that beat you.

If you call you're winning 44% of the time, losing 52% of the time, and chopping 4% of the time.

Your equity in the pot is $15.20/($15.20+29.90)=34%

So you're plus eV calling here every time by a pretty big margin.

Your line is actually higher because some of the time, you can include some unpredictable junk in his hand which has you winning a higher % of the time.

Of course, if he has AA here 100% of the time, then you're only winning 9% of the time and obv. you're way neg eV.

I'm not saying he didn't have AA, I'm just trying to introduce a different way of thinking about all-in situations that might earn you some money in the long run. It's tempting to think of calling all ins as binary - I have him beat (call) or he's got me beat (fold). Usually when I call all-in's, it's more of a maybe. Maybe he's got this, maybe he's got that, do I have the right price to call?

This concept was taught to me a few months ago by a real good live pro and I've really taken it to heart. Hope it helps!