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Old 12-13-2008, 10:42 AM
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Just got back from the casino about an hour ago.. and 1 hand I wanted to know if you think I played this well or not.

dont remember all the details but lets put it this way
9 handed - live straddle
everyone has been semi aggressive but I've started taking control of hands with $20 steals of the limpers on a straddle.
Stack sizes
Hero(me) 200BB deep
Villian 80BB

$1/2 are blinds
Im in MP with 78s (spades)
I raise it up to $20 get 2 callers rest folds I am first to act
**Note person to act behind me mucks KQ and it flips over)***

Flop comes
10c Qh 9d (total pot approx $67)
It checks around
Turn 7d
I bet out $20 get one fold and get min raised to $40 by last to act (pot now at $127)
I sit and think for a little bit look and and say I'm all in.

ok so he has $60 invested in this pot and its now at $227 since I put him all in
He just saw my do this maybe 1/2 hour earlier with TPGK and stacked a dude for a 100BB pot when he called with 2nd pair.

What does villian have? or what is his range?
Villian has some gamble in him I've seen him call $20 raises with offsuit connectors and even 1 gappers.
Do I have fold equity here by shoving with my open ended straight draw?
Villian has never min raised with a strong hand that I've seen while sitting with him which made me feel his min raise was weak.

Tell me what you think? oh and sorry this is all from memory so actual numbers may be off a little but its pretty accurate.
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Old 12-13-2008, 11:19 AM
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I always thought u shud play tight live and just wait for good hands as they don't really take notice.
If u r gna make this move, bet the flop and see what he does then, there just isnt enuf info atm and a set of 7's looks likely.
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Old 12-13-2008, 01:20 PM
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I think this is pretty terrible all around. I don't know why you'd raise this in MP at a live full ring table. And I know that standard preflop raises in live games are bigger, but 10x seems pretty excessive. I'd cbet the flop. Your draw is pretty worthless, so you basically have air here. I'd check the turn, but if I bet, I wouldn't bet less than 1/3 pot. Once you're minraised, I can't understand doing anything other than folding.
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Old 12-13-2008, 02:33 PM
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Do not bluff ppl in 1/2$ live games...
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seems like total spew.
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Old 12-13-2008, 06:26 PM
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WOW!!!!
Ok so Im glad everyone thinks this is bad... well not really cuz I dont agree... Game was getting extremely loose... There was a live straddle on so it wasnt 10x raise

There was SB BB LS and Once Caller b4 me that equals $11 in the pot so a $20 raise really isnt much anything less then that and everyone is calling. which has been the way the table has been going. Player ended up being extremely weak with a naked 10 which is what I thought he had and felt I had tons of fold equity with my move cuz this is exactly how I would play a monster.

How does anyone put him on a set of 7's considering that I hold a 7 in my hand?

After taking awhile he finally said I guess its time for me to go home and called.
I really felt my read was correct and if he called I still had outs. Thanks everyone for your comments.

Oh and why I raised this is I was playing my image which I had an ubertight image at the table and everyone was giving me respect. I had won multiple pots by raising and taking it down right there.
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Old 12-13-2008, 08:02 PM
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a typical live $1/2 game is vastly different from online. most of the time the only thing "iso" raising limpers accomplishes is building a huge multiway pot. most 1/2 players will play a hand they think is playable for $4 or $20. you do an iso raise for a couple of reasons: you have lots of fold equity and a good chance to either take down the pot uncontested or go to the flop heads up with position and initiative. combined with the potential to actually hit a hand, and the play becomes +EV, even with a suited connector. however, when your fold equity is greatly diminished, the play becomes borderline/bad. I would probably limp behind with your hand. from your description, the players play terribly post flop, which makes your implied odds huge, even with a fairly small pot on the flop.

trying to bluff someone who can't fold, especially when you have an active, aggressive image, is terrible. the reason that these games are so profitable is because people call and raise with hands that are extremely subpar considering the action and the bet sizes compared to their stacks. they get pot committed with 2nd pair and end up stacking off with incredibly weak hands.
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