Pot Control? Or Protect?

[quadfive]

Do I just get it in on this blank turn? Or what's a good line?

He was 18/15/inf. ~100 hands

[given1982]

Bet the flop.

[quadfive]

Originally Posted by given1982

Bet the flop.

I'm not questioning the flop.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by quadfive

I'm not questioning the flop.

Then you're not asking the right questions.

[quadfive]

on that flop OOP i don't want a big pot, betting out seems spewy since I'm getting called by such a HUGE range & I have no clue where I'm at on ANY turn card...

Overs?

FD?

Already flushed?

Set?


So, we get to the turn & it's a complete brick. I feel much safer here... What's the turn play?

[Aji89]

Betting the flop seems super standard and not spewy at all. The C/R turn option that you suggested would be more spewy. I think you've forced youself into having to C/C down on any non heart turn and river by giving up control of the betting.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by quadfive

on that flop OOP i don't want a big pot, betting out seems spewy since I'm getting called by such a HUGE range & I have no clue where I'm at on ANY turn card...

Overs?

FD?

Already flushed?

Set?


So, we get to the turn & it's a complete brick. I feel much safer here... What's the turn play?

I think you have it backwards. You're getting bet into with a HUGE range once you check this flop with the initiative, and you have no clue where you're at on the flop or on any turn card when you just c/c down.

I don't understand wanting to get it in on this "blank" turn. It completed the only feasible straight draw. So all you mean by "blank" is "non-heart." If that's your logic, I don't know why you wouldn't bet and get it in on the flop.

[chinz]

You bet the flop exactly to know where you are. When you are check-calling you are just guessing and giving him chance to check back with worse hands (that he would call a bet with) but valuetown you when he has you beat.

Check-calling is by far the worst possible option here, on both streets. Raising that turn would be suicide, unless you are trying to represent the flush and get better hands to fold... but I don't see any better hands folding when you check-call the flop and check-raise the turn.

EDIT:
As given said, that turn card is not a blank... and the fact that he is still betting when that "blank card" (for him, because it doesn't hit your range at all) hits, should be worrying you instead of making you feel better about your hand.

[quadfive]

Ok, thanks for the answers.. I'm not saying my play was good. I played it pretty bad & had no clue where I was.

Betting the flop makes more sense now. Is it a Bet/fold on the flop?

Guess that's pretty read dependent..