3bets everywhere.

[quadfive]

Just started transitioning to 100nL over the past 6K hands


I'm getting 3bet like Crazy & I'm flatting some with premiums purely for value because when I hit the flop it's $$ signs..My 4bet earns a fold 80% of the time

This is interesting though.

Do you call?

Not really significant.. 6/4/2 over like 15 hands

[mxrider]

given that you called the 3bet pre, I can't ask for a better flop quite honestly. With less than a full stack, I think I have to call here.

[dansiek]

yeah im not really sure what flop you are hoping for with AJ if u rnt willing to get it in to a donk shove.

[TheDeKay]

Why are you ever calling a 3bet vs an completly unknown, who played rly tight for the last 15hands? You are not even Button or Cutoff so he might not even put you on a steal...

Pot odds are ~1.4 to 1 => We need about 42% equity to break even.
We have 14% against TT+, I don't think he is shoving here that light... if we add all AK to his range we still have only 35% equity... we have absolutly no reason to believe, that he is shoving here even wider, so imo we should fold.

We would need him to shove TT+,AQs+,KQs,AKo,KQo to have 41.5% equity and about break even. That's 5% of all hands... and we have no reason to believe, that he is 3betting even wider.

[AlaskaForever]

I see donks shoving flops with 2pair in these situations.
Short stack do this with air.

[dmoney38]

This spot sucks because our call pre sucked. Folding when we hit this well seems dumb, but we should probably dump it. Honestly this should be an easy call because for us to call pre we should know he is 3 betting really light or something.

[Spinage]

Originally Posted by TheDeKay

Why are you ever calling a 3bet vs an completly unknown, who played rly tight for the last 15hands? You are not even Button or Cutoff so he might not even put you on a steal...

Pot odds are ~1.4 to 1 => We need about 42% equity to break even.
We have 14% against TT+, I don't think he is shoving here that light... if we add all AK to his range we still have only 35% equity... we have absolutly no reason to believe, that he is shoving here even wider, so imo we should fold.

We would need him to shove TT+,AQs+,KQs,AKo,KQo to have 41.5% equity and about break even. That's 5% of all hands... and we have no reason to believe, that he is 3betting even wider.

True, BUT, he is rarely shoving TT, JJ, AJ, KK, AA here, why would he? So the shove, in my opinion, limits his range to lesser hands, like ATs, AJ, AQ, AK, KQ and possible QQ if he doesn't want to see any more cards.

I see QQ being the only hand that shoves here that beats you. Call. (fold preflop)

[EdgeOfReality]

Spinage wrote:

True, BUT, he is rarely shoving TT, JJ, AJ, KK, AA here, why would he?

Just wondering out loud. Pot is 25 and villain has @60 behind. If he bets 20, he has committed 1/3 of the effective stack. At this point, does a shove look like a bluff? Making his play correct.

This is a real wet flop, so could he be worried enough not to want to see any spade or broadway on the turn which could kill his action. Thus a shove with an overpair or set. What % of the time would he have to get called on a bet flop-shove turn line to get a higher EV than shoving the flop? How many times is a spade/broadway going to kill his action on the turn?

Does he get enough FE, if he is semi-bluff shoving with something like 98s or TP/FD type hands? Or would he be crai with those type of hands? Would he have enough fold equity if he was to crai. He would be giving hero about 2.3:1 on a call. Can hero then fold, when needing only 30% equity?

Putting all these questions together and it seems to me that maybe villain may not be so far off by shoving this flop, given his stack size.

I would love replies by other thoughts.

[TheDeKay]

Originally Posted by Spinage

True, BUT, he is rarely shoving TT, JJ, AJ, KK, AA here, why would he? So the shove, in my opinion, limits his range to lesser hands, like ATs, AJ, AQ, AK, KQ and possible QQ if he doesn't want to see any more cards.

So you expect somebody who played 6/4/2 over 15hands to 3bet like 7.5% of his hands oop vs MP?
He doesn't seem like an advanced player, so he just might think "I have to protect my hand" and shove TT or AA...

[Spinage]

well im probably wrong, just voicing my opinion. If he is shoving his good hands here, I don't think it is a good play. As for his stats... over 15 hands, lets really not even try and figure out his 3bet range, honestly, that is just taking stats too far.. 15 hands really is nothing, he could end up being a complete nit, or he could have been just settling into the table, or maybe, most likely, he just didnt get any good hands over the past 15 hands.

and to re-iterate, I thought it was an easy fold preflop, but AS PLAYED, what the hell would you fold TPTK for in a 3 bet pot, what are u calling for originally?