Is this weak or a standard fold?

[quadfive]

no stats just sat down

Full Tilt Poker Game #7494274303: Table Gustin (deep) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:24:22 ET - 2008/08/03
Seat 1: KoolBreezy ($114.45)
Seat 2: RocaGrafh15 ($75.25)
Seat 3: Ghostrider117 ($103.85)
Seat 4: Repetition22 ($120.15)
Seat 5: quadfive ($198.50)
Seat 6: chenned ($180.05)
Seat 7: Smokey1424 ($83.30)
Seat 8: nesrof ($102.70)
Seat 9: whatheduece ($208.95)
whatheduece posts the small blind of $0.50
KoolBreezy posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to quadfive [Ts Td]

quadfive raises to $3.50

whatheduece calls $3
KoolBreezy calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [5c 2h 6h]
whatheduece checks
KoolBreezy checks
quadfive bets $8
whatheduece folds
KoolBreezy calls $8
*** TURN *** [5c 2h 6h] [Ad]
KoolBreezy checks
quadfive has 15 seconds left to act
quadfive checks
*** RIVER *** [5c 2h 6h Ad] [Ks]
KoolBreezy bets $15

[adam258]

With ur line, its a standard fold. I prolly take the same line. Only thing I may do different would be to b/f the turn A. A think a $14-18 bet would work. But ur line is fine imo.

[quadfive]

i thought hard on the river about hero calling, but his bet screams value

[08019]

I would autobet the Turn here.
Protects our hand and probably get us a "free" showdown.


As played might be a fold but we might also have induced a bluff from a villian with a missed draw or something like 44.

[Padawan]

imo when you checked the A an the your telling villian you dont like it... I would have bet the turn and then shut down...my guess if he was floating with like KJ or something like that even if he called and hit his K on the river he more than likely would have checked to you.. if he had an A you would know right away..

[FishAndChips]

Extremely unlikely that Villain is "floating" OOP from the BB to such a strong c-bet -- that would be pretty suicidal.

Quadfive, I actually really like your check behind on the turn, keeps the pot small and uses pot control when you have a hand with great showdown value.

The only hand you're really scared of here is villain calling on the flop with a suited ace. His check call on the flop indicates he's probably on a draw unless he's extremely fishy and calling you're 88% sized pot c-bet on flop.

Here's the thing, when you check behind the turn when it's so likely he has a draw, you must be committed to calling *most* rivers when a blank comes. You can pretty much consider the K a blank here since there's really no logical hand he would call from the BB with pre and with that textured flop. A big reason to check behind on turns when you suspect someone of a draw is to keep the pot small, to induce bluffs on missed draws, and to get paid for value betting rivers.

He's betting $16 into $26.50 so you're getting 2.5 to 1 on your call, the range you have beat is 77, 88, 99, busted heart draws, busted gutshots. You're losing to accidental value bets here (heart draws with a K or most likely A) and that's about it. IMO this is pretty much a must call just from the price you're getting laid on the river.

[R8tme]

Sure bet/fold the turn to reeavalute. in your case simple fold.

[Gambubble]

I'd call river for the reasons stated by Fish.

Playing lower limits, I'd often bet this turn to charge draws, as few opponents are likely to semi-bluff me off my hand with a big reraise.

At 100NL, the strategy described by Fish may be is more appropriate?

[FishAndChips]

Betting the turn is okay too -- he might fold a gutshot plus you're getting extra value for flush draws.

Most flush draws will not fold to another bet on the turn though, they'll continue to check call, and if they lead on the river to try to bluff their busted flush draw, you still must be committed to calling. 10,10 has great showdown value, but you don't really want to play a big pot with 3rd pair -- that's why I'd check behind the turn, but like I said, betting it is okay too.

When your opponent being on a draw is extremely likely (whenever they check call on a drawy board they usually have a draw) and they donkbet the river when a blank peels, you should be very inclined to call if you're getting a good price, and sometimes even when you're not getting a good price if you have reads/stats on your villain.

[Gambubble]

I understand your point on pot control, but I'm trying to make it clearer in my mind. I'm concerned about giving a free card in a drawy context. Must have a good reason for this (like not being semi-bluffed on the turn).

some thoughts:

If I face a c/c;c/c;donkbet line, i usually fold 3rd pair, even with this drawy board. Tell me if its a leak guys, but I don't see him bluffing enough to make this call profitable... I do not see a lot of river bluff at my stake.

If he is good enough to try a river bluff, wouldn't he have reraised the turn as a semi-bluff, the A being the perfect card for this.

Definitively your line sounds better to me against a good opponent, but the weak ones I face will c/c;c/c;c/f their missed draw here imo; so no free card for them.