ebook discussion - Ryan Fee's 6 max NL strategy guide

[tmiby]

Hi guys,
I found the link to that free pdf in a recent thread "ebooks" in this forum.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/ryanfee/fees6max.pdf

I downloaded it and printed it out (the old good way).

I went through the first 20 pages. It's all about preflop game. Some questions to that (text within quotes are citations):

1) 3Betting range OTB, page 14:
"Here you probably want your ratio to be 3:2, so for every 3 value 3bets, you throw in two bluffs"
Do you guys use such a loose 3betting strategy OTB? experiences?

2) Rules for squeezing, page 15:
"1. Don't you ever squeeze AQ or JJ or TT unless you are going to call a shove/shove over a 4bet..."
...because this is kind of the range that we're not happy to put it in pre? or what?

thanks for your input!

[chinz]

A lot of those concepts (like getting it in with marginal hands after squeezing) are meant for midstakes and higher, and are losing plays in more passive micro/smallstakes...

For example that squeeze with TT or AQ... you should (almost) never get it in preflop if someone 4bets you with 100bb stacks if you're playing NL100 or lower. People are not 4bet bluffing you because you squeezed.


3betting:
I personally 3bet much more as a bluff (I have 9% 3bet) than that, but I guess at mid/highstakes people adjust to that better and it's not as profitable.

In NL50-NL100 at least you can get away with even more 3bet bluffing than that.


squeeze/5betting:
In higher stakes people do stuff like cold-4bet bluff over squeezes, so you don't want to fold a hand as strong as JJ, because their range is likely to have a lot of bluffs (and AK for value, so you're not always crushed when he calls shove).

[tmiby]

Originally Posted by chinz

A lot of those concepts (like getting it in with marginal hands after squeezing) are meant for midstakes and higher, and are losing plays in more passive micro/smallstakes...

ok, I keep that in mind. I used to play 50NL and 100NL. Then I took a break for 6 months and now starting again @ 10NL.

[given1982]

A lot of the content is solid, but the writing is atrocious. Also, don't get too hung up on any one sentence, because he says lots of things that contradict things he said earlier and that make no sense.

[couriermike]

I really liked Fee's guide tho I don't think it's for the micros. The two things I remember are 'Don't float yourself. OOP c/f or 2barrel.' and 'Ball til you fall!'

[urbansprawler]

He contradicts himself a ton, but for free content, this is pretty good.

Since you asked about 3-betting, let's take an example of 50NL:

UTG $50 raises to $2

It's folded to you in LP.

There are 3 things to take into consideration:

-Opening Range
-Continuation Range
-Postflop Expectation (and 5b expectation to an extent)

The tighter the CR, the more polarized your 3-betting should be. If villain is TAGgy 18/16 with a high F3B stat of 80%, 3-betting QQ is terrible. You fold out every hand you dominate.

Reciprocally, if villain has a wide CR, you can be 3-betting a balanced range. I know I've played versus some villains that I've felt good about 3-betting AJo against (for value). In this case, you should be widening your value range (basically TT+) and narrowing your bluff range (SC's, trash, etc).

Look at OR and CR as a ratio. If the ratio is high, you should 3b more polarized. If it is low, then you 3b a balanced range.

But, when you 3-bet, the hand isn't over. Adjust your 3-betting range for postflop expectation. For example, if an opponent calls 3bets liberally but folds to cbets or double-barrels frequently, you should be 3-betting this opponent with a very wide range of hands. However, if your opponent is a better player, you'll be looking to jam it preflop or make him/her fold as a general rule. Your opponent's 4b frequency also effects your PE. An opponent who 4b's or folds reduces your postflop expectation considerably, especially with 100BBs and under.