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Old 05-11-2009, 08:20 AM
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Default NL100: interesting match vs fish

hi there,

here are a few hands from an interesting HU match I played a few days ago. As you can see by his stats villain was really fishy. He didn't fold to anything but he wasn't as terrible as it seems. He put me into some tough spots and I managed to own myself in a few hands. Anyway the key hand is the last hand in the replayer. I included some other hands for information over his game. They are in chronological order.

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43/30 AF: 1.3/3.3/6.3
3bet: 13
folds to 3bet: 9
cbet: 67
2barrel: 50
call open: 30
folds cbet: 39
folds 2barrel: 20
raise cbet: 13



#1 mental note: seems to make bluffs on the bigger side

#2 Do you hate my cbet? I'm not sure about it. Sure, I could check behind but any turn sucks and I'm pretty sure to get called by worse (although it's not that much). On the turn I think it's a fold because a fish has hit the Ace too much. However with respect to Hand 1 this could easily be a bluff that's why I decided to call him down on a blank river.

#3 Again I don't like my river call. It's so obvious that this is a valuebet but I somehow couldn't fold

#4 Should be pretty std. Notice that he didn't follow through on his bluff

#5 mental note: He doesn't turn weak SD-value into a bluff (in big pots) although he is probably never good on the river.

#6 This time no way I can fold here since he is repping 9x and better Aces.

#7 Again his sizing indicates bluff and I doubt he vbets worse than Ax here that big. I also doubt he floats overcards on this board so the only way I'm beat is to a str8 or a rivered 2pair. Do you like the call?

#8 He didn't cbet extremely often and he checked behind obv. cbet boards like AKx from time to time. He folded everytime I bet the turn so imo he is repping 4x or a missed draw. Yeah he could have trapped me with AJ+ but I doubt it.

#9 I'm lost here. I only need 25% for a call but I think he can have any kind of draw that got there. I'm also not sure if he would turn an underpair into a bluff. He missed a similar opportunity before but on this board it's really obvious that he can push me off a lot.
On the other hand he bluffed a lot but he wasn't bluffing everywhere and he often checked down as soon as he had SD-value.

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Old 05-11-2009, 08:22 AM
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I can't edit because it tells me I'm logged out as soon as I click the edit button: His 43/30 stats mean V$IP IP/OOP
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Old 05-11-2009, 08:43 AM
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Hand 5 I think is worth betting for value again on the turn since he's not folding any pair on the flop and probably not on the turn.

As for hand 9, I think it's a fold. The only Kx hands you're ahead of are KQ,K5 and under and I doubt he turns those hands into bluffs. Same probably applies to A9,A7. He could very easily have KJ,Axss and even be making a thin value bet with 8T. Too many hands in his range get there by the river for you to be ahead enough of the time imo.
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Old 05-11-2009, 09:38 AM
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yeah right, #5 is definitely a valuebet. I just hate myself if he calls again and bets the river. That's why I'm checking there too often
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Old 05-11-2009, 06:49 PM
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Most of my comments are in general, playing exploitably against a fish isn't that bad.

#1: checking back the flop is very exploitable, but I doubt this player understands it... After all turning his "nut high card" to a bluff.

#2: cbetting the flop is good... we are betting this for value. He could've floated with A high and A also fills a draw. When he leads out full pot on the turn, I would fold.

#3: call

#4: check with A highs and bottom/middle pairs is very exploitable and bad. I don't really like that call, but we have 2 overs and A high, so it ain't awful either.

#5: You should cbet QQ here, wp. If you only check with pairs <KK here, it's just too easy for someone to 2barrell you out of the pot. I don't really know about valuebetting the turn, against most opponent's I dont, but you could do that if he's a calling station. The problem with that is he can turn weak made hands or busted draws into a bluff, and we can't really check-call the river. That's why I don't like valuebetting 2 streets when OOP. In position I would go for (at least!) two streets of value.

#6: We call with AT to hit top pair, we hit top pair, we don't fold.

#7: Again checking back the flop, makes me a sad panda.
He knows your range is 8x, 9x and A highs here, I doubt he would bluff that river often enough.

#8: sick spot, but I don't think we should fold top pair against aggro villain, after checking it back on the flop.

#9: I'm crying a(t the) river (card) here and folding.
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Old 05-11-2009, 08:17 PM
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yeah, sometimes my main reason for checking back is that I don't want to get called (because that would mean I have to c/f the turn) although I pretend to have another reason. But I'll try to explain my though processes:

#4 He obviously doesn't fold a piece on this board since it's hard for me to rep anything but there aren't too many worse hands that can call a cbet. Because of that I wanted to control the potsize and call almost any turn since he bets there a lot.

#7 Vs this player I think a valuebet is better than checking but I will cb here against most opponents. Reson being that a lot of their range will peel at least twice or c/r the flop and because I will c/f this flop a lot.
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Old 05-11-2009, 09:51 PM
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You play fairly well... couple spots where you paid him off a little light or missed a bet, but overall it's fine. I'd probably end up folding in the last hand since there are just sooo many hands he can have that beat you.

His VPIP stats look pretty tight to me, that's usually the opposite of fishy. Still, his play in the hands you posted was pretty fishy so w/e.
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Old 05-12-2009, 07:39 AM
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Well, I would say that having VPIPs of 43 and 30 is fishy too... it's very hard to make a profit against a decent player by only playing 43% of buttons. In HU you really want to play a lot in position.

He is also folding only 9% to 3bets, which means his 3bet defending range is 39% which can't be profitable even if wrap_it is 3betting something like 35%. His fold to cbet is 39% which isn't that awful (especially with his preflop stats), but I'd still say it should be more like 50-60%... or his raise cbet should be higher.

He is not the best possible type of fish, but I would still play him at least if I thought he plays bad postflop.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:32 AM
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All I really meant was that he's probably not a drooling retard like a lot of the real fish at these stakes will be. Guys like him are usually 6max regs that got bored/tilted and decided to play some HU -- definitely a good spot for a HU reg.
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