NL100: call down?

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villain was a regular playing 67 IP/48 OOP
3bet: 24

Was had some pretty loose PF dynamic going on as you'll see later and in normal raised pots he was pretty passive postflop. That means he checke behind 4/5 and folded to my turnbet. Considering 3bet pots he cbet 3/3 though.

The history is as follows:

1) I folded to his first three 3bets, this is the first one I defended. I decided to make a small flop raise because it looks bluffy (I would take the same line as a bluff) and I think players that 3bet so often are likely to shove in a lot of worse hands (88-TT, draws, worse Jx)

2, 3) I really hate the next two hands. With TT I didn't recognize that we were 150BB deep and it would have sucked completely if he had 4bet me in this spot because he seemed to 4bet pretty liberally.

Similar situation in the K6 hand. On the one hand my 4bet is way to small on the other hand I really have no clue about deepstacked play. Given that my value 4bet range probably only is QQ+, AK I really can't 4bet as a bluff that often, right?

Once he called and the board was A high I tried to rep it and take the pot down.

4) This is the key hand. Does he ever barrel this as a bluff?

[ShoveOrFold]

1) I don't really like the first hand reraise. Assuming from what you said, you are going to be stacking off on this flop. But making that small raise makes stack sizes really awkward. If you want to induce a spazz shove by a Diamond draw or something, I'd prefer to raise to 42, since it would let him shove easier. But I dont like getting it in on this flop too often. But it all depends on how the match was going, and stacking off 100bb against a crazy aggro loose guy with TPGK isn't a terrible leak.

2) Seems okay, but getting 4 bet off the hand kinda sucks. Yeah I like 3betting with Teir 1 and tier 3 hands. And defending with Teir 2 hands since i am put in a shitty spot if they 4 bet.

3) 4bet size isn't too terrible, since a lot of people make it smaller in order to merge their bluff and their value range. Cbet on flop is too small.

4) He is never bluffing here. There are no draws that missed that he would fire. It looks like he is just getting value. I think hands like KJs or AK wouldn't fire 3 barrels just because you look really strong calling on that dryish board.

[given1982]

1) Flat flop.
2) NH.
3) I make my 4bets (for value or bluffs) at least 30bbs this deep. As played, I'd cbet the flop even smaller (15-20).
4) Probably fold turn; definitely fold river.

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I agree to most of what you said but I'm still not sure about hand #2. TT is just so hard to play OOP.

I even don't like my cbet. I mean what do we do if he raises? He can bluff this board a ton because it hits his range more than mine and even if he has draws here a lot I'm flipping against almost all of them.

Given that overpairs and even sets go down in value when playing deepstacked I don't see too many flops that we like to see when 3betting hands like TT.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by ShoveOrFold

1) I don't really like the first hand reraise. Assuming from what you said, you are going to be stacking off on this flop. But making that small raise makes stack sizes really awkward. If you want to induce a spazz shove by a Diamond draw or something, I'd prefer to raise to 42, since it would let him shove easier. But I dont like getting it in on this flop too often. But it all depends on how the match was going, and stacking off 100bb against a crazy aggro loose guy with TPGK isn't a terrible leak.

Ehm... leak? When we hit TP with KJ on 3bet pot, we are dancing around the house screaming "SHIP IT SHIP SHIIIIIP" or something... Anyway I'd prefer flatting the flop and check/shoving the turn to get more value out of bluffs.

There is merit to raising this board too... just because you want to be able to bluff-raise flops in 3bet pots, and if villain knows you are just check-calling with TPGK, your checkraises won't have any folding equity.

2) Seems okay, but getting 4 bet off the hand kinda sucks. Yeah I like 3betting with Teir 1 and tier 3 hands. And defending with Teir 2 hands since i am put in a shitty spot if they 4 bet.

The stack sizes make it a little awkward if we get 4bet... I think we can either fold or 5bet it, either one is OK. But not 3betting TT in HU is just plain stupid IMO.

Anyway with those stack sizes (and aggressive game dynamics) he folds a lot of his 4betting hands to shove and if the game really was aggressive, he will call with 88, 99, AQ or AK if we shove. So even if we do get 4bet that isn't such an awful spot.

3) 4bet size isn't too terrible, since a lot of people make it smaller in order to merge their bluff and their value range. Cbet on flop is too small.

I'd rather cbet like 27, just because I think that it makes a big difference whether it's over or under half a pot... though it's about the same amount... But cbetting small in 3/4bet pots is standard in HU. He either has A or he doesn't.

4) He is never bluffing here. There are no draws that missed that he would fire. It looks like he is just getting value. I think hands like KJs or AK wouldn't fire 3 barrels just because you look really strong calling on that dryish board.

Strong? Maybe in 6max but certainly not in HU. When you don't raise the turn your hand looks exactly like 8x or 99-TT... or maybe QJ.

But I agree, I would call the cbet and give up on the turn, he's not bluffing here often enough.

[no eff eks]

I actually think every hand is fine... the first one is iffy preflop, but it's totally fine with the right history/table dynamics.