NL50: Any value in rivershove with TT?

[chinz]

weaktight | Hand | TT - $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem

This was the fifth hand in our match. So far I had opened all 3 buttons and cbet the one he called. Also I had 3bet his only button open so far. So we didn't really have history yet, but anyway I suspect my line looked very suspicious to him, and I tought he would snapcall me with A5 or such.

My original plan was to shove any river, except A, 4, 5 or 6 but I kind of froze when he donked (small) on the river. Is there still value in rivershove here or would I just be valuetowning myself?

I do like to start playing matches very aggressively (few showdowns), so I'd also think it would be great for my image, even if he often folds his bluffcatcher hands to my river shove here. I feel that the best way to get value/action is to play first 10-30 hands totally crazy.

[given1982]

This is closer to a fold than a shove.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by given1982

This is closer to a fold than a shove.

As you probably know, people are not really folding pairs in first few hands of the match... If he decided to play A4 like this, he should be check-shoving the river, not leading small. Only hand I'm afraid of is hands that 2-paired on the river.

My line looks 100% like a bluff, so I am expecting to get called down by literally ANY pair here. So, my real question was, how do you react to small blocker bets in the river? I feel that it's exploitable to just call them with premium hands (I know, worrying about exploitability at NL50 is useless).

I don't really want to give my opponents a chance to blocker bet weak hands to see a cheap showdown... Also, I don't want to show my hand, I want him to think that I'm a maniac.


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EDIT:
If you meant something like "shoving is even worse than folding", you might be right... but if you really are saying that I should even consider folding here, I think you're very wrong. I was fistpump-calling this. These spots just happen ALL THE TIME and I feel like I am losing a lot of value by just calling blocker bets a lot. Of course I don't know would they call with hands like 3x or 5x, but anyway...

I know I'm good like 90% of the time on the river, but I don't know if worse hands would call a shove, really bugs me a lot.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by chinz

As you probably know, people are not really folding pairs in first few hands of the match... If he decided to play A4 like this, he should be check-shoving the river, not leading small. Only hand I'm afraid of is hands that 2-paired on the river.

My line looks 100% like a bluff, so I am expecting to get called down by literally ANY pair here. So, my real question was, how do you react to small blocker bets in the river? I feel that it's exploitable to just call them with premium hands (I know, worrying about exploitability at NL50 is useless).

I don't really want to give my opponents a chance to blocker bet weak hands to see a cheap showdown... Also, I don't want to show my hand, I want him to think that I'm a maniac.


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EDIT:
If you meant something like "shoving is even worse than folding", you might be right... but if you really are saying that I should even consider folding here, I think you're very wrong. I was fistpump-calling this. These spots just happen ALL THE TIME and I feel like I am losing a lot of value by just calling blocker bets a lot. Of course I don't know would they call with hands like 3x or 5x, but anyway...

I know I'm good like 90% of the time on the river, but I don't know if worse hands would call a shove, really bugs me a lot.

I definitely wasn't saying that you should consider folding. I just don't think he's going to call a shove with very many worse hands. Maybe 99. Probably not even A8.

I wouldn't assume that an unknown would never play a monster like this, but if that's what you think, and you think there's some metagame value from a shove, then go for it--there isn't much to lose in that case. But I think you will valuetown yourself sometimes and never get value from him.

[chinz]

Good to know you're not saying I should be thinking about folding.

After thinking more about this, I probably tend to agree that my original line was the best. There's a non-zero chance he has some weird two pair or even better and I don't really have enough reads (or bad image) to assume he would call a shove too light.

But at least I managed to rep a bluff there pretty good, he had even worse hand than I thought.

He had K3s