50NL ever folding a straight?

[csfanatikdbz]

I flopped a low straight on a 357 board w/ 2 hearts. I bet a little more than 2/3 pot when checked too, because thats all this fish did was check and call. he raised me two times in a 10 minute period HU. He called and the turn brought a third heart, I overbet pot a bit and he overshoved. I called. Wrong play hear against weak/passive player?

[urbansprawler]

Why did you overbet.

[csfanatikdbz]

Originally Posted by urbansprawler

Why did you overbet.

Good question. I overbet to discourage him from staying in the hand and calling with a flush draw. I guess when he shoves over my overbet, I should assume he's already got it? I just don't see a lot of people shoving with the nuts there when they could slow play or do a smaller raise. What do you think?

[urbansprawler]

Originally Posted by csfanatikdbz

Good question. I overbet to discourage him from staying in the hand and calling with a flush draw.

You want a flush draw to call here without giving him pot odds. He has no implied odds.

[csfanatikdbz]

That makes sense. So should I jam pot there or bet slightly under pot with a straight?

Another question, if I put him on a busted flush draw, what do I do IP and OOP ? I would probably check OOP to give villain a chance to bluff. But IP where he's checking to me, betting anywhere near pot isn't going to make me any money if he has a busted flush draw as thought, is there an amount I can bet to get him to raise me as a bluff or if he has a pair or better?

[podbelski]

I don't see how can we fold a straight on a 3-flush turn, there are just too many hands we beat and crushed by the flush only.

If there are 4 cards of the same suite on the board and the villain shoves I'd rather fold. I can call if seen him bluffing or making stupid moves, or if I have already put about 2/3 of my stack into the pot.

[csfanatikdbz]

Originally Posted by podbelski

I don't see how can we fold a straight on a 3-flush turn, there are just too many hands we beat and crushed by the flush only.

If there are 4 cards of the same suite on the board and the villain shoves I'd rather fold. I can call if seen him bluffing or making stupid moves, or if I have already put about 2/3 of my stack into the pot.

I guess I just 'hoped' he didn't have it there? Told myself he wouldn't have shoved if he already hit the nut straight. But from how he'd been playing, he had only raised once before so I guess I should have just been a nit and waited for the nuts.. sigh
Thanks for your responses =]

[Silverthunder]

he is shoving to protect his hand from the nut flush draw perhaps?

Anyway, take a note on this guy that he probably only raises with strong hands for value

[csfanatikdbz]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

he is shoving to protect his hand from the nut flush draw perhaps?

Anyway, take a note on this guy that he probably only raises with strong hands for value

The weird thing was, he HAD the nut flush. Which is why to me his shove looked weird. He wasn't a great player by any means so I guess his play doesn't have to make sense as far as value is concerned.

[Itchytriggerfingerniger]

Originally Posted by csfanatikdbz

I flopped a low straight on a 357 board w/ 2 hearts. I bet a little more than 2/3 pot when checked too, because thats all this fish did was check and call. he raised me two times in a 10 minute period HU. He called and the turn brought a third heart, I overbet pot a bit and he overshoved. I called. Wrong play hear against weak/passive player?

I think if the guys is a calling station then the time to over bet would be on the flop. I have no issue over betting if a calling station will pay but lets do it when we're certain that we're ahead.

Calling station fish tend to be passive so a check raise is normally a big hand so fold IMO.