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Old 11-24-2009, 05:43 AM
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Villain plays aggressive postflop poker - I can't remember anything else.

I'm SB, he's BB, we both have 100BB stacks.

It's foldet to me and I have A7o in the SB - standart steal, so I raise to 12$ he calls.

Flop Jd Jh 7h (24$ in the pot)
I Cbet 16$ and he raises to 46$.
I would expect to get called here by any 7 in his range, so I guess it's a standart Cbet.

How would you handle his raise in this spot?
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Old 11-24-2009, 06:44 AM
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you got the nuts 95% of the time here imo
I think he is bluffing w gutshots & air a ton of the time here.
I'd call & reevaluate turn.
I think that if you do decide to call turn you'd have to call river a lot.
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Old 11-24-2009, 02:03 PM
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there's going to be a lot of ugly turn cards for you. What about a min-rr on the flop? That will force him to play his hand pretty straight forward.
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Old 11-24-2009, 03:15 PM
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I hardly can give an advice here, for now I like what MX suggests, folding to a RR/shove, or shutdown if he calls.

What I wonder is why it is a standard to steal with that junky Ace against (tricky?) aggressive player OOP?

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Old 11-24-2009, 04:48 PM
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The odds to steal are pretty, pretty good in a BoB situation, so if BB does not go crazy aaall the time it's ok to steal like 30% IMO. I didn't have any huge problems with him until this hand happend, so I didn't see to adjust my steal-range pre.

Hm, I tried a call - donk turn line. He thought for maybe 20sec and shoved the turn. I guess he would have shoved on the flop as well...
I'm not sure, if I like either of these 2 lines, since I don't know, if he shoves a FD here or not.
Maybe c/c turn, c/f river is the best line...
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Old 11-24-2009, 05:21 PM
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To be honest, the concept I'm still having trouble getting with is that profitability of stealing... Like ok, it is great when he keeps folding, those BBs add up one by one... and then you kinda hit a flop with really marginal hand and getting played back at... and tempted to continue and I see it a lot - wasting a ton more BBs on that...
I can see that mathematically it could be explained like postflop is a different story, you might lose 1 hand but you are always able to choose an optimal play so in the long run it will be profitable as well! For me it appears like I'm chasing those blinds risking my stack to the variance/mistakes...

Looks like it's the first time I summated the problem at least for myself) Keeping that in mind, isn't it bad to check the flop planning to fold to any action? I'm sure the action will be 99% of the time here

Maybe bet half-pot and safely fold? Yeah, I think I like this more, well I know I'm not tricky/aggressive enough for those stakes... or if you plan to bet-fold here and the guy is aggressive and knows it is a good flop to cbet so you will face action frequently... now I like check-folding more...

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Old 11-24-2009, 10:08 PM
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I think shoving is a lot better than calling with such a vulnerable hand. The problem with shoving is that he might have his ranges very well-balanced and I won't go into to the math but if he has a J like 25% of the time, you'd best be folding; otherwise, if you think this is usually a bluff, I really prefer shoving.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:23 AM
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I think shoving is a lot better than calling with such a vulnerable hand. The problem with shoving is that he might have his ranges very well-balanced and I won't go into to the math but if he has a J like 25% of the time, you'd best be folding; otherwise, if you think this is usually a bluff, I really prefer shoving.
wow.. if folding or shoving are the only options for you here then aren't you just better off not cbetting this flop?

if you fold you give up the best hand a very high % of the time and if you shove, you're letting him get away easily with air and give him ton of maneys when he has a jack.

I think call & reevaluate turn is much better than any other option.
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Old 11-29-2009, 04:08 AM
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I wouldn't think that shoving is good on the flop because it allows our opponent to make perfect decisions against us. He is only going to call us with better hands & we will be drawing just about dead to his entire range. Maybe I can see shoving with AK there (but according to Trikkur's videos that is soo yesterday)
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