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Old 08-26-2008, 10:37 PM
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Villain hadn't been playing that long, but raised the hands he was in. Hadn't noticed any 3bets prior.

I had been a folding station preflop, and folded a couple of missed set mining raises postflop to his and other CBs.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($9.85)
UTG ($13.35)
MP ($7.40)
CO ($10.90)
Button ($8.00)
SB ($10.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.90, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.45, 1 fold, CO calls $1.55

Flop: ($5.25) K, 3, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, CO raises to $8.45 (All-In), Hero calls $3.65 (All-In)

Turn: ($20.05) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($20.05) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20.05 | Rake: $0.95
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Old 08-26-2008, 10:57 PM
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Im raising a lot more preflop to something like $3-$3.5. His raise means the pot is already around $1.4 and just a call by you makes it $2.3 so a PSB bet by you would be on the $3 dollar order.

That aside I think the rest is fine, if he shows up with KK so be it unless you are willing to lay down your aces here (but now you have over 1/2 of your stack in the middle and your getting close to 3:1 on your money). He may also have AK in which case you are leading.

The lack of an all in preflop by him doesn't mean he doesn't have KK but it may sway me to think he doesn't
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Looks standard.
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Old 08-27-2008, 08:24 AM
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thanks guys, appreciate the line check.
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Old 08-27-2008, 08:36 AM
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This does look a lot like AK here. If he happens to wake up with Kings, so be it. Once you make your cbet, you are committed here. Plain and simple.
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:19 AM
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Standard line. Most of the time he has AK (no 5B PF and more possiblities to have AK then KK).
4B size is fine I think. 3x3Bsize as 4B is too much.
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:30 AM
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4B size is fine I think. 3x3Bsize as 4B is too much.
At 10NL, I don't think there's any need for small 4bets, because you should really never be 4bet bluffing. I like a 4bet to around $3.

Postflop is super standard. Maybe if the flop were JQK, you could think about a fold.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:50 AM
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The bet size is not about bluff raise or not, but about further options on the Flop, or not? Betting 3$ means stack size = almost pot size on Flop, leaving you with no room for more then cbet -> autobroke on any Board. Am I missing something? then wheres the difference between 3$ and 3,8-4$? That would make the Flop even more easy to play, as it would be a push anyways. With 3$ you have 7$ left in a 6$ pot, thats not optimal.

I don't like a 3$ size at all because i think it's either too much or too less. Comment on that please.
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Old 08-27-2008, 11:36 AM
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The bet size is not about bluff raise or not, but about further options on the Flop, or not? Betting 3$ means stack size = almost pot size on Flop, leaving you with no room for more then cbet -> autobroke on any Board. Am I missing something? then wheres the difference between 3$ and 3,8-4$? That would make the Flop even more easy to play, as it would be a push anyways. With 3$ you have 7$ left in a 6$ pot, thats not optimal.

I don't like a 3$ size at all because i think it's either too much or too less. Comment on that please.
Yes, you're missing something if your goal is to size your 4bet so that you can get away from AA postflop after you've 4bet it with 100bb stacks.
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Old 08-27-2008, 11:55 AM
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SUPER standart hand. I don't even know why you posted this? I asume you posted it because you lost to his KK but that doesn't mean you played it bad. If you plan on ever folding AA in a 4bet pot that's a big leak. There are some flops you can find a fold, like TJQ , KKQ where you beat absolutely nothing the villain could have, unless he is totally nuts. But on a K23 rainbow you only lose to 1 hand and you are getting called by worse (AK), so easy bet/call.
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