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Old 08-27-2008, 09:37 AM
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SB ($58.00)
Hero (BB) ($50.55)
UTG ($59.95)
MP ($50.00)
CO ($50.00)
Button ($80.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, Q
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, Button calls $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9.25, CO calls $7.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($20.50) 8, 8, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $14.00, CO calls $14.00

Turn: ($48.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $26.75 (All-In), Hero folds, 1 fold

Total pot: $48.50 | Rake: $2.40

Is find myself in these spots quite often, when i squeeze (maybe KQo isn´t the right hand to do it with) and get called it feels like i´m beat already, but i still c-bet cause i feel like if i´m the aggressor i should continue to take the lead after the flop, but when i get called on that flop i off course know that i´m beat.
Would it be better to c-bet a J72-board??
I have recently discovered that i´m loosing a humongus amount of money in 3bet pots and i really have to stop that leak but i really don´t know what to do. When i look at my overall play, i´m playing fine in position and stealing a lot of pots and playing aggressive using position, but then comes the 3bet pots and kill my winrate.
I can grind for an hour at 50nl, and win like a buyin from just being aggressive in position and stealing and winning small pots, and then i get involved in a 3bet pot and i loose a buyin
Well, enough of my wining any suggestions?

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Old 08-27-2008, 09:50 AM
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easy fold? ofcourse you have to make that cbet on such a board but you can't call the all-in, think he has something like 10's ...

Nothing you beat , well played
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:12 AM
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I don't hate a c/f on the flop (77+ aren't folding). Obv fold turn as played unless you've got some amazing reads that you didn't share with us.
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Old 08-27-2008, 11:43 AM
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I don't suggest a c/f that bad, as this board sucks so bad. I dunno if you can start to cbet a little bit less in 3B pots, especially on paired Flops. 12 is fine here i think.

And btw:
KQo OOP/IP = shit hand to squeeze
You will actually NEVER flop a hand you like when getting called preflop, besides KKK/QQQ, so stop squeezing dominated hands that can't even make flushes. Even 45s performs better then KQs here.
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Old 08-27-2008, 05:43 PM
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So what hands are ok to squeeze with? I guess if the KQ had been suited it would have been better, but would 88,99,TT, JJ,AKs,AKo,AQs,AQo,AJs be the hands to squeeze with? I´m assuming i have no overall read on villan, but would that be kind of standard hands to squeeze with?

It feels like i´m lost in 3bet hell or something. I´m guessing that the general player who raise/call a squeeze is doin that with AK,AQ,AJ,JJ,TT,99.88.77, depending on how loose the player is and stacksize, but it seems like if the board is 743 they are NEVER folding 99´s regardless.
I think i have to study this a while before goin back to the tables. I´ve been in a downswing period also so i think that can throw my mind of a bit.

By the way, thank you for your answers guys.
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Old 08-27-2008, 06:05 PM
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Yeah, man. Playing 3bet pots is I think the biggest problems for starters, like us.
But I would agree Mr Nutflush. Mate, you REALLY don't wanna squeeze with KQo and especially out of position. Think about it. Even if the board comes 3 suited with Q or K high, u cbet and got raised - you're in the world of complexity.

And btw, that is from blinds, right? I've red at one place, that 1 guy had so-so winrate at micros and he experimented for 15k hands playing from blinds ONLY AK, JJ-AA, 3betting strong pre. As he said his winrate grew considerably.
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Old 08-27-2008, 11:57 PM
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doesnt it depend on what your intention is with the squeeze? if you want to fold everyone out then ATC are fine as long as you are prepared to let it go if you get called. If it is to bloat the pot with the intention of playing on post-flop then you need a hand that can stand pressure after the flop I think.

I would also squeeze a for a lot less than you did, surely $6-$7 will still achieve the same outcome and let you know where you stand in the hand. When you squeeze with KQo and get called though you have to consider that you are more than likely playing either a dominated hand or that you are up against a decent pair (especially to call such a large reraise - gap principle). I think it is even ok to check the flop and release the hand and just chalk it up to one lost. The next time you do it and have a good hand you will most likely get action and then hopefully get paid off if your opponents remember your previous actions. As played though I'm folding the turn since you don't even beat a pair of deuces at this point.
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:08 AM
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You have a very good point there zay, i have to think of why i´m squeezing that particular time. I haven´t really thought about it that way, i guess i have to plan my move ahead more than i do right now.
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