Chop it up?

[drgoober]

Hey everyone. New user here and after enjoying and learning from the videos, I thought I'd join what seems like a great community.

I've only been playing seriously for a little over a week (teehee). My previous experiences consisted of home games and a few thousand play money hands.

Today, I was faced with a strange situation, and to be honest, I was completely thrown off by the way it panned out. I completely regret having played it this way, but I'm looking to learn from my mistake(s).

I play extremely tight, about 16/11/3, and in this particular session, I hadn't played much at all.

Villain was playing extremely tight and rather aggressively post flop. By the end of the session, Villain was 14/4/6.

Any tips, ideas, do's and don'ts?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Villain (BB) ($9.40)
Hero (UTG) ($15.20)
MP ($10.85)
CO ($15.25)
Button ($15.65)
SB ($4.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, 10
Hero raises to $0.35, 4 folds, Villain calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) K, A, A (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.75) 5 (2 players)
Villain bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.30, Villain raises to $2.80, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($6.35) 9 (2 players)
Villain bets $6.25 (All-In), Hero???

[zayphod]

welcome,

well since the villain called you could possibly discount AK from his range (although thats just me thinking he would reraise it with those stats). Pokerstove shows his preflop raise range as 99+,AQs+,AKo and his playable range as 77+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+,QJo

If we go strictly off of this range then a set of 5's are not in his range, but you know they might be (I lean toward no). Assuming his calling range in the BB is tight though there is a reasonable chance you are playing a dominated A here. However with that said there is a fair chance that he is playing a K9+ type hand or a busted flush (on the river) and is trying to buy the pot since he may have figured you did not have an ace either after you checked behind him. Im probably calling and may lose my stack but so be it.

I think one mistake you did make was to check the flop as his response to a bet here would have answered quite a few questions and really helped to narrow his range down.

[drgoober]

Hey zayphod. Yeah, not betting on the flop was what I regretted the most. Well, that, and opening with ATo UTG. I generally fold this early position. I decided to try and play it fancily, and it ended up putting me in a tough spot. The fact that he simply called preflop, however, led me to add small pocket pairs to his range. He had shown down 3's and 7's, limp/calling with them pre-flop in early position. I was multi-tabling so I wasn't sure how those hands had played out, but yeah, I had kept that in mind when piecing together a hand range. I should probably add that to the original post. Not sure if that piece of information should change one's read though.

In the end, I folded figuring I was up against a better A or pocket 5's.

How exactly did you use Pokerstove to come up with a hand range?

[zayphod]

I opened pokerstove, clicked on player 1, then clicked the preflop tab and stuck in the VPIP percentage (gave me a range), hit ok. Then did the same with the preflop raise percentage.

i don't mind the fold its just one of those incredibly crap spots. I would really find this hard to laydown though even though you may be dominated. I used to play ATo UTG but chuck it for the most part now. I think if you do play it though and get called by a TAG like the villain then its 'tread carefully' time. I chucked a note on one of the other pages for trikkur to take a look at this post and reply to it as i am not sure my analysis is that good and I am really curious to see what others think on this one.

[aLoner]

Originally Posted by drgoober

Hey zayphod. Yeah, not betting on the flop was what I regretted the most. Well, that, and opening with ATo UTG. I generally fold this early position. I decided to try and play it fancily, and it ended up putting me in a tough spot.

If you're a beginner really should not play AT UTG, you might consider suited one.
Man, NL10 is the LAST, gonna spit it for ya mate, L to the A to the S to the T limit you wanna get fancy. Honestly, it's just not worth it. You just can't be fancy or overthink opp's there, simply because they do not think at all. For them this is random emotions, except they might have some "favorite hands" with which they will call you 3 streets down.
So, really, stick to the basics.

Originally Posted by drgoober

How exactly did you use Pokerstove to come up with a hand range?

When you click on a player, it pop-ups right, so there you can see two options. One is cards, the other - preflop. You click that and can type all sorts of things, like percentage and it will automatically give you the ranges.
But be careful, you might just get fancy with it.

And the hand, I would:

Preflop fold.
Flop - cbet!

As it is - honestly, I would call. Even we've made huge mistake by not putting a cbet, a still believe that 50/50 it will be a KJ or whatever, or a bluff.
If he shows AJ that's fine. If he shows fives - well, we did a mistake earlier, right? Let's never do that again.

[Trikkur]

My gut reaction was to call because of the weird line you took, but I also think someone with 14/4 stats would probably have the goods here a significant portion of the time. I just don't see him calling with worse aces too often and without knowing his bluffing frequency it's hard to say. Plus I doubt he turns like 88 into a bluff too often. I hate folding, but I think I would.

[no eff eks]

As has been said... Fold ATo UTG... Bet the flop...

This is usually a pretty easy call for me, but this guy is just such a huge nit. I think he would actually just call you PF with AK and definitely with AQ/AJ/A9 or 55/99.. I'm not sure about A8, but any weaker than that I'd expect him to be folding.

The only way I'd really think calling is best is if he's a blind defender. I've seen some super nitty players that only fold their BB like 60%, so if you have that stat available and he seems to defend a lot then I'd make the call (I know this wasn't a steal situation, but it gives you an idea that he's not such a nit when he's facing a raise on his blind).

[JibNinjas]

Hey no eff eks, is that a play on NOFX the band? Just curious

[R8tme]

HI guys. I', new to this forum also. enjoy the vids a lot and all discussions.
Here's what I think, cause I basically ran over this yesterday. When you play against nit player like 14/4 you should be extremely cautious, cause these guys know their image at the table, and if he reraised you, you would definitely fold and he would loose his value.
and this is what I had yesterday from guy 24/3. He limped MP, I raised with AQs. flop comes AQKr. He bets small, I reraise, he smooth call. then comes xcard and he goes all in. My gots was telling me that he probably has AK, but pot odds were like 4:1 so I called to see AKs. So be extremely cautious with nits when they smooth call.

[no eff eks]

Originally Posted by JibNinjas

Hey no eff eks, is that a play on NOFX the band? Just curious

Yes it is. NOFX has been my favorite band for the past 10 years or so...

I sort of stole the idea from a website with the same name... but I'm fine with that.