10NL QQ against big stack and calling station

[finitestate]

Hi All,

After watching a lot of the videos on this site I took the advice from Trikkur to start posting in the forums to help improve my game. The videos have been a great help to me, keep up the great work! The CBet concept has improved my game beyond a reasonable doubt.

In any case, I wanted to post a hand that I really felt uneasy about. MP was a 49/10 and BB was a 55/4. (At that point I was under 30) My dilemma was that I felt that MP could afford to draw a flush on the turn and the river even with me leading out with strong value bets. I'd be interested to hear what you guys have to say.

Thanks a lot!



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com



Button ($5.92)

SB ($5.33)

BB ($3.11)

Hero (UTG) ($13.14)

MP ($22.35)

CO ($4.61)



Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q

Hero raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, 3 folds, BB calls $0.10



Flop: ($0.47) Q, 4, 9 (3 players)

BB checks, Hero bets $0.25, MP raises to $0.50, BB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $12.99 (All-In), 2 folds



Total pot: $1.97 | Rake: $0.05



Results in white below:

Hero didn't show.

Outcome: Hero collected $1.92

[ThatDeviant]

Hey,

Firstly, I'd raise more pre. 3x at these stakes isn't going to deter many players and you end up in a multiway pot with your big pair. Something like 4.5-5x (0.20-0.25) will still get you action as well as getting some more value from the stations. Certainly something you should be abusing. You're also out of position which is another reason to get more money in there to offset your disadvantage of being first to act.

On the flop, your cbet should be a little higher - something around the pot is fine (they're calling stations so go for max value). Now, when MP minraises and there is an overbet, you HAVE to raise. Thats fine. However, your shove was terrible because you're folding out every hand which is on a draw which is exactly the hands you want to get value from (especially the deepstack). Bump it up to $2 or so - which against a station is a fine bet who WILL chase their draws.

If called by the deepstack (the main threat), fire another pot sized bet on any non spade (depends on your read if you think he's on the FD) and stick him on the installment plan. By the river repeat and get paid off by a 9 or a broken flush draw making a call because he doesn't know when to fold. Basically you want to be getting three streets of value off the guys who will chase without odds, not scaring them all out when you have the nuts on the flop.

[finitestate]

Originally Posted by ThatDeviant

Hey,

Firstly, I'd raise more pre. 3x at these stakes isn't going to deter many players and you end up in a multiway pot with your big pair. Something like 4.5-5x (0.20-0.25) will still get you action as well as getting some more value from the stations. Certainly something you should be abusing. You're also out of position which is another reason to get more money in there to offset your disadvantage of being first to act.

On the flop, your cbet should be a little higher - something around the pot is fine (they're calling stations so go for max value). Now, when MP minraises and there is an overbet, you HAVE to raise. Thats fine. However, your shove was terrible because you're folding out every hand which is on a draw which is exactly the hands you want to get value from (especially the deepstack). Bump it up to $2 or so - which against a station is a fine bet who WILL chase their draws.

If called by the deepstack (the main threat), fire another pot sized bet on any non spade (depends on your read if you think he's on the FD) and stick him on the installment plan. By the river repeat and get paid off by a 9 or a broken flush draw making a call because he doesn't know when to fold. Basically you want to be getting three streets of value off the guys who will chase without odds, not scaring them all out when you have the nuts on the flop.

Thanks ThatDeviant---
I've been noticing that 3X BB raise really doesn't scare anyone off at these stakes so I'm going to take your advice and increase it especially when OOP.

I figured I'd probably made the wrong move with the shove. I've taken some notes about your points on getting value and will apply when I'm in a similar situation in the future.


Thank you for the analysis....much appreciated!