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Old 09-03-2008, 05:02 AM
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Default VPIP = 4 . Profitable?

I've been playing on stars a lot lately and there is this guy i play with a lot and his stats are very bizarre.

His vpip= 4 and that is after 700 hands i have on him.

He sits down at probably around 16 or so tables and plays very very tight. I have only seen him show up with AA KK QQ and AKs (AKo a couple times). I have seen this with short stackers, but he is always full stacked. As crazy as his play seems, he is a winning player. In the 700 hands i have on him, he has made a profit of about 4 dollars playing 1c/2c 6max tables. I have seen him with about up to 4 buy ins at some tables.

Can this type of play actually be profitable? Obviously he is taking advantage of the great number of fish at these tables, but this strategy seems a bit crazy.

But I love sitting at the table with him. I always just sit on his right and min raise every time im in the sb and hes in the bb when its folded around to me.


Has anyone ever tried this kind of strategy?
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Old 09-03-2008, 05:25 AM
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I guess it could work on those limits as people generally dont pay enough attention but he is not really learning to play poker that way. Its nice when he can make a profit like that but at the higher levels I believe alot of people will catch on to this very very fast and he becomes very easy to play.
I never played 1/2cent so I dont know how the play is at these limits tough.
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Old 09-03-2008, 06:36 AM
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At first I thought this could be an incredible easy way to make the most bonuses with the lessest risk, but then I saw that your talking about 2NL. Obviously the rake there is way too low, if there even is rake at all, to get FPP or bonuses.

Despite that, 2NL and 5NL are as far as I know the only low-limits where you can buy-in for 250BB on most sites. beeing deep stacked in a limit full of donks knowing nothing about poker, playing a 4VPIP seems like beeing profitable (but superultrahyper boring lol), but on higher limits, where you only buy-in for 100BB and people at least once in a while be aware of their fold button, the math isn't working anymore.
You can't play 6max profitable without playing some hands. To play tight on micro limits is surely a winning approach, but playing 4% of hands is not tight, it's ridicolous. It means your bleeding chips away, just to win sometimes big ones, most of the time medium sized ones, and sometimes your going to stack off to a suckout. I doubt your winnings could make up much your BB/SB...and the fact that nobody gets it in anywhere in a hand against a 4VPIP player without having the nuts.

And of course what colossus said is true, you don't learn poker by playing AA/KK all the time.

Overall I honestly wouldn't recommend that style. Furthermore, I would suggest to start playing poker at 10NL if your bankroll is high enough and if you'd like to learn a bit more, because the playmoney feeling of the 2NL/5NL limit at least decreases somewhat. I played 2NL/5NL too, but i never took something from it (despite a relatively decent amount of money, due to the deep stack idiot-poker).
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Old 09-03-2008, 06:53 AM
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Sounds like it could be a bot to be honest... playing this tight might be slightly profitable at $2nl, but even at that level you're passing up a TON of equity.

Playing that tight is just a bad idea.
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:09 AM
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I think he is surely very exploitable by a player who isn't too fishy. Seriously, you can steal this guy so many times preflop and you can maybe try to play pots with him with speculative hands like pocket pairs, try to hit big and stack him.

Even if it is profitable, I wouldn't play that style because it is really really boring even 16-tabling, you are pretty much always in the same spots.
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:56 AM
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At 2NL it's optimal as 95% of players don't realise what he's doing.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:28 PM
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does his screen name start with a KKKK or something like that?

I have a guy who sits at the 1/2c tables with stats like that. I had him at 3/3 over 200 hands. I try and get him on my left and just steal his blinds the entire time i am at the table. I suspect it may be the same dude If he raises I dump it. Easy to avoid and its only the people not paying any attention or without some sort of HUD who call him.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:57 PM
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Actually, since $2nl tables usually play super deep you should call his PFR with ATC and try to stack his overpair. When somebody has such a narrow range they are extremely easy to play against -- this strategy will not work at all against opponents that are even semi-competent.
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Old 09-04-2008, 04:16 PM
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Just play in position against this guy. And you will exploit him a lot. Cause if he plays only AA,KK,QQ or AK all you need is just to get 2 pairs and stack him. But the most factor here is position though, cause he can have a monster sometimes.
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and yeah, it is proffitable against fish. just more tables and more donks.
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