Basic theory: raises and reraises with?

[boz86]

OK, been getting in a lot of hands at the lower limits where I am the first raiser in late position. Great, relatively easy play there.

But...what happens when you're in late position with the lower end of your raise range, and you're getting UTG, UTG+1, or CO raising prior to you? Is there a good rule of thumb on 3betting? Floating? Folding?

In the cutoff, should you 3bet A7o? 75s? T9s? Etc.

I'm talking about the three guys having around a 22/18 stat. The raising stations are a different discussion entirely.

thanks much, and I realize "it depends," but a discussion would help me. Or if there's a particular video I missed, that would be good too.

[mxrider]

Originally Posted by boz86

OK, been getting in a lot of hands at the lower limits where I am the first raiser in late position. Great, relatively easy play there.

But...what happens when you're in late position with the lower end of your raise range, and you're getting UTG, UTG+1, or CO raising prior to you? Is there a good rule of thumb on 3betting? Floating? Folding?

In the cutoff, should you 3bet A7o? 75s? T9s? Etc.

I'm talking about the three guys having around a 22/18 stat. The raising stations are a different discussion entirely.

thanks much, and I realize "it depends," but a discussion would help me. Or if there's a particular video I missed, that would be good too.

I like to have quite a polarized range here in this situation to make things a bit easier on me when they react. I'm re-raising hands like 56s sometimes and big pocket pairs, big aces (AQ, AK). I stay away from mediocre hands that are likely to be dominated.

[JibNinjas]

Guys that are playing a 22/18 type game are going to fold a fairly often so you are fine 3betting light. As mxrider said, stay away from hands that can be dominated like KJ, QJ, J10. Hands like that in 3bet pots are dangerous. you are going to make top pair with a dominated kicker way too often.

so against these players it is good to loosen up, but just dont get yourself in a situation where you cannot easily fold when they show aggression.

[Padawan]

What limit are you playing??
That makes a huge difference..
20NL - Not 3 betting dominated aces. No suited connectors... occasionally you can throw in a disguised hand like these to mix up your range... but these plays are not needed at this limit... Try to figure out what they could be raising with? Have they been raising alot if so go ahead and throw in a 3-bet and they'll probably fold..


I dont play any other limit so others can give you advice on 50NL and up but I would imagine you start opening up your range especially if they have been pretty active with their UTG raises.

[boz86]

Originally Posted by Padawan

What limit are you playing??
That makes a huge difference..
20NL - Not 3 betting dominated aces. No suited connectors... occasionally you can throw in a disguised hand like these to mix up your range... but these plays are not needed at this limit... Try to figure out what they could be raising with? Have they been raising alot if so go ahead and throw in a 3-bet and they'll probably fold..


I dont play any other limit so others can give you advice on 50NL and up but I would imagine you start opening up your range especially if they have been pretty active with their UTG raises.

Padawan,

That's my problem, essentially. I'm at the 10/20 limits which you're talking about. Problem is that if I'm getting raised and following pretty tight 3bet limits I end up with a 10/8 profile for the session and only breaking even.

I'll try opening up some more, just trying to get a feel about what others thought on the range for doing that.

[boz86]

Thanks for the advice. I realize it's probably basic but it's a leak I'm struggling with.

[linqbait]

I've been playing a wide variety of hands in LP with an early raiser. I need to get PAHud so I can do this more scientifically. Basically, I'll call with hands that have some potential, but that I may even dump PF in an unraised pot. Take KTo. I'm not a big fan except when folded to me on the button and even then I'm dumping to a 3Bet. However, if UTG seems tight and I'm UTG+1/CO I'll call with it.

On FTP, people are pretty tight and usually fold behind. If UTG shows weakness on the flop/turn, I fire. Also, I'm not looking for TP. I'm looking for straights and maybe two pair. However, AKT is making me nervous with a UTG raiser who checks.

I haven't really started 3B light except when trying to play back at a LP auto-raiser.

[Padawan]

I dont really agree with playing K10 off to an UTG raiser who seems tight.... I definently agree to playing suited broadway cards because it allows you to not only make 2p but st8 and flushes... I also like suited connectors... but if I have QJs and the flop comes 5 Q 7 rainbow... Im check raising a c-bet and if I get resistance Im shutting down... Picking a better spot... to many people lose a whole stack just because they think TP is the shit...

I had someone the other day in my session running so good.. I had KJ guy TPGK and dude bet I called... then goes check check to a blank... then I bet 2/3 pot and got an overshove.... I insta folded and showed.. I was sitting about 3 buy ins up on that table and the guy was like "oh crap I hit the wrong button I was freakin out, Thank you for not calling"

Now I dont know if he's feeding me a line of BS or what but for $3 in the pot even if I feel Im good there Im just not calling for $17 more... I'll pick em off later..

This is an example of Dont get yourself into spots you cant let go... with marginal hands...

K 10 off just isnt that good of a hand.. I definently think its -EV to an UTG raiser
just gonna fold to a c-bet more than your gonna make 2 pair or a st8

[ThatDeviant]

Polarized 3 betting range is solid because you generally know what to do when the flop comes down. Doing it with dominated hands is just spew unless you're a skilled post flop player.

[linqbait]

I'm certainly no skilled post flop player. I've just been doing it as a pure bluff or looking for a str8.

For instance, tight UTG raiser. Board comes 842r. I float his cbet. He checks the turn, I fire. I haven't been doing this long enough to know jack, but I was trying to learn to float. Personally, I like raising/calling LP with 57s type hands cause when the flop come K84ss and you float to a 6 turn, he's never got you pegged and he can be stacked. When the flop is T42, he can put you on AT/TT and tighten up and fold his AK/AQ.

Just my very young theories.