Giving too good of odds?

[D3rvish]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($14.90)
Hero (MP) ($10.65)
CO ($11.25)
Button ($2.95)
SB ($4.10)
BB ($12.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, Q
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 7, 2, 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.60, UTG calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.15) Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.20, UTG raises to $3.30, Hero raises to $9.65 (All-In), UTG calls $6.35

River: ($21.45) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $21.45 | Rake: $2

How would you guys play the flop with this hand? Looking back, I think I donked out after giving the FD too good of odds to call. A closer to pot sized bet might have been better, but the limper could have anything, especially with the hands he was showing down earlier. If I would have overbet to like $1.15 - $1.30 and he reraises/shoves, I think thats a fold here. Sure, the best possible card came on the turn, and I'm happy with the way I bet there, but how should I bet the flop in these situations?

[given1982]

Your flop bet size isn't that bad here because the board is so dry (even though there are 2 diamonds). I like $.75 better though. I think overbetting the flop is not a good idea unless you have a good read that villain never folds any piece of any flop for any bet size.

[TheDeKay]

I would bet the same amount on the flop, cause this is about my Cbet amount for paired boards /w 2 suites.
If you Cbet pot everytime you have a high pp, and 1/2pot if you have less, than you will be very easy to read. If you Cbet pot here everytime you will get crai a lot, since you will not connect here good so often.

I really like your line here

[Aji89]

Played very well imo. nh

[R8tme]

Looking back at this hand let's play it just +EV for you .
1)First MP raise should be .5= 4x+1limper = 0.5 - you gave too goods odds for 22 to call you oop.
2) flop, what is th e price that he can call profitabley: looks like A8s from this guy, so he has 3A+9f. 47/12, so if you give him odds to call better than 4/1 he is prfitable in the long run
2.15/.6 for him obvious fold oop.

if he has 15 outs 3/1 close call, ot's not obvious here you have PP, and he has overs for the flop

The rest is cooler for him and stack for you. Anyways , always add bb for each limper, otherwise in the long run you will lose to suck outs

[TheDeKay]

Originally Posted by R8tme

Looking back at this hand let's play it just +EV for you .
1)First MP raise should be .5= 4x+1limper = 0.5 - you gave too goods odds for 22 to call you oop.
2) flop, what is th e price that he can call profitabley: looks like A8s from this guy, so he has 3A+9f. 47/12, so if you give him odds to call better than 4/1 he is prfitable in the long run
2.15/.6 for him obvious fold oop.

if he has 15 outs 3/1 close call, ot's not obvious here you have PP, and he has overs for the flop

The rest is cooler for him and stack for you. Anyways , always add bb for each limper, otherwise in the long run you will lose to suck outs

To 1): His preflop raise is fine and if he is doing that with weaker hands, that won't pay off a set and he is able to lay down QQ postflop from time to time, it is not profitable to setmine.

[no eff eks]

Well played imo. Just because a flop comes 2-tone does not mean you have to bet full pot.

[nawhead]

I bet more on this flop, 75c to 90c. If he has any sort of pocket pair, he'll call a bigger bet. If he has a flush draw, he'll call a bigger bet. If he has just overs without any sorta draw, he's not calling anyway for any amount unless he's a station, but if so, the more reason to bet bigger, not smaller.

Also, I would bet bigger if I had a draw myself or a 7 (I probably don't have a 7 ever in this spot, but assuming I was in later position and there wasn't a shorstack on the button, etc.). I probably bet a small pocket pair 75c for flop value (maybe a turn bet on KQJ for more value from flush and some fold equity against another pair), then go into check-fold mode on river. I think I cb 30% of the time with good overs (75-90c) for the same reason that he'll call a bet with any pair, but I'd rather cb a turn AKQJ and get some kind of fold equity. The thinking being I'm probably still ahead of most non-paired hands so a bet will not get me any value, so I'm only getting called when behind most times on this board with just overs.

But I don't think a bet/fold is automatic on this board. A lot of people will cb a lot more than 30% with overs here, hoping a small pair just goes away, and a check-raise by 33-JJ or the odd flush draw (and 7... but who ever flops trips?) isn't out of the question. If you don't have a bad image of putting out way too many cb's when you shouldn't be calling raises, and then calling, they'll probably slow down on the turn and river unless they have it.