Better way to play QQ?

[linqbait]

I've taken such a beating lately, I'm getting confused. Did I play this ok?


Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: $30.20
BTN: $25
SB: $41.10
BB: $58.50
Hero (UTG): $26.80
MP: $25

Pre-Flop: Qc Qd dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BTN raises to $3.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.35

Flop: ($7.05) 6s 5d Tc (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.70, Hero raises to $15, BTN raises to $21.65 and is All-In, Hero calls $6.65

Turn: ($50.35) 2h (2 Players - 1 is All-In)


River: ($50.35) Td (2 Players - 1 is All-In)


Results: $50.35 Pot ($2.50 Rake)
BTN showed Ks Kd (two pair, Kings and Tens) and WON $47.85 (+$22.85 NET)
Hero showed Qc Qd (two pair, Queens and Tens) and LOST (-$25 NET)


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I'm thinking of implementing a no Full Tilt during the weekdays policy. It seems to be full of people who play squeaky tight. They don't make enough loose calls/shoves to make up for the times they nut peddle + coolers.

Basically, if your c-bet is called, they have a monster. If your 3B is raised, they have a monster. I win lots of blinds, 2-Bets, and c-bets with AA. After that, if there's betting, i'm up against a set and lose all those small gains.

The weekends seem to be crazy town however.

[TheDeKay]

Lol, I only can tell you, that ppl play much worste at 200NL and 400NL during the weekend. The funny thing is: When I startet playing poker, my worst days were saturday and sonday - now these are my best days xD

If you get it in anyways... than 4bet preflop so you maybe get it in against AK, too. I only call /w QQ preflop oop, if ppl are 3betting me light and Cbet a lot postflop, so I pick off some bluffs.
If you call, you should have some kind of plan: Do you want to get it in active (crai) or passiv (let him bet the flop and the river) or do you want to keep the pot as small as possible (what is pretty hard in a 3bet pot).
If you have no history against that villain or you haven't seen him 3betting quite a lot, then (is it than or then?^^) I might just c/c the flop, c/f the turn, cause I do not see ppl getting it in that light at 25NL. If he's aggro, it changes, but as you discribed your villains, I can only think of JJ, that pays us off postflop here. And there are more combos of AA and KK than JJ
+ If he checks behind on the turn, than I will bet every no A or K board for value.

[linqbait]

Ok. I'll try your line out. I'd feel weird getting half my stack in and then folding the turn.

Funny enough he timed down on my c/r. He prob was cursing my set of Ts and made a crying call. LOL. FTP weekdays is nut peddler nation.

[R8tme]

The only thing I can tell, any reads on the villain.
If not minbet him, and if he overshoves, fold

[no eff eks]

Originally Posted by R8tme

The only thing I can tell, any reads on the villain.
If not minbet him, and if he overshoves, fold

Please don't min-donk bet.

I get it in PF with QQ 100bb deep. I consider QQ < KK to be a cooler.

[loltrickedu]

.... everything is standard

[R8tme]

By minbet I don't mean regular minbet but like 2.5 just basically to redefine his hand
Usually I get it in to. But his opponent is full stack so reaction is also a factor.

[nawhead]

You should really try to have a read on a guy whether he's willing to cbet whiffed AK in a 3bet pot. If he's willing to keep firing AK high or what. Or what his likely 3bet range is preflop.

Like others have said, you could have pushed preflop, but I think pushing preflop with QQ at microstakes versus someone who doesn't regulary 3bet AQ, AJ, JJ, TT is spewy. There's so much better (and low variance) ways to make money at microstakes than just shipping it in preflop w QQ vs some unknown guy 3 betting you.

But it's all read dependent of course. If he's willing to raise you light (and shown definite history of weak aggression preflop), I re-raise big with QQ there. If he's shown history of firing again and again postflop weak, then I might call there and stack off on a King high board.

Assuming I just sat, as played... I call. QQ loses a lot of value on A or K flop, obviously. Very hard to regain lead if so. No flushing flop, so I lead out 3/4 pot, folding usually if raised (unlikely someone plays JJ so strong out of the blue, and there are more pairs that beat you, AA,KK,TT than you beat, obviously, and unlikely someone goes aggro with AK,AQ with no flush draw on the flop). If called, I put out as small a bet as possible but it still looking like I want protection/value from someone who got stubborn with AK (1/2, maybe even 1/3 pot). If called again, I'm in check-fold mode. If he's got the balls to call 2 bets in a 3bet pot then bluff on the river with less than QQ or a set, more power to him.

Or, since I'm a tight weak nit, I chek-call a (hopefully) CB. If clean turn, lead out on turn (but I might check-fold because I don't think unknown fires 2 times with AK here, if unknown guy bluffs me out with JJ, oh well, life goes on), if called or raised, time to shut down. Some random guy just wouldn't play JJ or AK this aggresively. If turn or river is A or K, shut down. Oh well, slowplay and you get burned, next hand...

I know, I play weak. Then people just assume I only play AA or raise with big hands and try to run me over with 2nd pair and gift me 25bb's at a time. I'm ok with that. But anyway, assuming someone plays legit unless they prove otherwise is always a good bet. Getting a proper read on your opponent is paramount!

There are bad tight players (nit-tards) and nut peddlers. There are plenty of the former on weekdays. But KK vs QQ is just a cooler also.

[Padawan]

Pretty much a cooler...

One thing I like to do with QQ and JJ is if I get 3 bet pre flop Ill 4-bet em and if they shove it always means AA, KK, AK... Especially at 20NL

Than you can decide if its worth putting the rest of your stack in knowing your either a coinflip or dominated... Also most people at 20NL are not shoving AK pre...

[sandervb]

standard cooler imo, nasty river, nothing more to it