Big Suited Draws

[linqbait]

Follow up question to my "is he a donk thread".

I've been laying down hands like this to strong bets, but maybe I should rethink.

100bb eff stacks. UTG+1/MP raises. I call IP with:
AdTd.

Flop comes:
7d 8d Js

Villain bets pot.

I've got 12-15 outs here. Is this an auto shove?

If he's super tight, do I even care that he might have AA since he could have AK or TT and drop?

If he's lag, tag, maniac, does that make it even more easy to pull the trigger?

[TheDeKay]

Board: 7d 8d Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.121% 46.67% 00.45% 462 4.50 { AdTd }
Hand 1: 52.879% 52.42% 00.45% 519 4.50 { AcAh }

so you are about 50:50 vs AA
vs KK you are favorite

Just ask PokerStove if you have questions like this

[mxrider]

Big draws gain so much value from the fold equity you gain with them as well when your opponent has nothing, or minimal and will fold. It also merges your handrange so you can't be easily put on a hand.

IN this hand, I'd pop this up on his cbet.

[R8tme]

standard place to go all in, you loose only to AA, and favourite against the rest
And you might be loosing to set, but it's not obvious here.

[ThatDeviant]

Yeah any time I have two overs and the nut flush draw or a straight flush open ender on the flop I'm looking to get it in.

[linqbait]

By "looking to get it in", would you just standard raise 3x his bet or would you go AI to increase the fold equity. I'm figuring if he calls your 3x raise and you miss, he's not folding to your turn bet.

So should you just go all in right away?

I wonder whether AI/CRAI increases fold equity or makes it look like what it is (a monster draw) and he calls more easily.

[TheDeKay]

Originally Posted by linqbait

By "looking to get it in", would you just standard raise 3x his bet or would you go AI to increase the fold equity. I'm figuring if he calls your 3x raise and you miss, he's not folding to your turn bet.

So should you just go all in right away?

I wonder whether AI/CRAI increases fold equity or makes it look like what it is (a monster draw) and he calls more easily.

You should play your sets, good 2pairs and bluffs the same way. I prefer not to go all in, cause this gives me some more room to maneuver later in the hand.

[Padawan]

I actually prefer a raise to 3x because it does kind of give off the appearance of you want a call but still carries alot of fold equity. If he shoves its an easy decision for you to call. if he just calls you can re evaluate but at least now you've narrowed his range down even further

[linqbait]

Makes sense guys. Especially playing it the same as sets/2P to disguise your hands.

I just raised a c-bet on a low/no draw board IP with air. PF raiser insta-folded. I should do the same with a set or 15 card draw. Cool.

And yes, I broke my pledge not to play until Saturday. I had some time to kill.

Ended my session up 1/2 BI.

[ThatDeviant]

Originally Posted by linqbait

By "looking to get it in", would you just standard raise 3x his bet or would you go AI to increase the fold equity. I'm figuring if he calls your 3x raise and you miss, he's not folding to your turn bet.

So should you just go all in right away?

I wonder whether AI/CRAI increases fold equity or makes it look like what it is (a monster draw) and he calls more easily.

Looking to get it in as in I'd take the same line that I'd take if I were doing it for value with a made hand. In this case, raising him up (stacks to big to just shove now + thats turning my cards face up) with the intention of calling his shove and probably getting the rest in on the turn.