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Old 10-21-2008, 02:05 AM
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Default Help with these 3 hands.

I'm not sure if I played this 2pair right. I didn't realize how dangerous the board was. Your thoughts?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($9.12)
MP ($16.86)
CO ($7.15)
Button ($11.80)
SB ($13.04)
Hero (BB) ($28.31)

Villian is 40/12 after 80 hands. Earlier I saw him raise UTG with T7s and lose his stack with a brutal bluff OOP. 10 min before that we went heads up BTN vs SB and I stacked him when I caught the flush after he checked called his straight draw and allowed me to catch up.

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 8
UTG calls $0.10, 4 folds, Hero raises $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

I don't normally play Q8s, but I felt like his range was wide enough that I could get away with it.

Flop: ($0.70) Q, 8, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.65, UTG calls $0.65

Turn: ($2) J (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, UTG raises $4.10, Hero calls $2.20

A turn raise on that board should set a warning off in my head right?

River: ($10.20) A (2 players)
Hero??

Results in white below:
Hero bets $4, UTG folds
Hero didn't show Qh, 8h (two pair, Queens and eights).
Outcome: Hero won $13.84

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I also recently noticed that I have a hard time playing draws, I would like your opinion on these 2 hands since I find myself lost in these types of situations:


No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Opponent is 50/12 after 5 hands. He bought in short so I don't give him much
credit.


Button ($4.81)

SB ($6.38)
Hero (BB) ($10.09)
UTG ($14.21)
MP ($1)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 7
1 fold, MP checks, Button calls $0.04, SB calls $0.02, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.06) 9, 6, 2 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.12, MP calls $0.12, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.30) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

River: ($0.62) J (2 players)
Hero?

Results in white below:
MP checks
Hero didn't show 8d, 7s (one pair, nines).
MP had 6s Qc (two pair, nines and sixes).
Outcome: MP won $0.69


Looking back at this hand I'm wondering if my turn option should have been shove or fold since check calling looks gross now. In these situations should I be looking for fold equity? Am I gaining any against a short stack by shoving? Short stacks confuse me
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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Villain is 23/0 over 230 hands. Didn't have much of a read on him since I never saw him get involved in anything out of the ordinary.

UTG ($4.49)
Button ($8.81)
Hero (SB) ($9.77)
BB ($5)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 7
UTG calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero raises $0.14, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.30) J, K, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, UTG calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.74) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.65, UTG calls $0.65

River: ($2.04) 4 (2 players)
Hero?

Should I check fold here? I apologize for the noobish questions in advance :P


Results in white below:
UTG checks
Hero didn't show 9s, 7s (high card, King).
UTG had Kc 10c (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: UTG won $2
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:01 AM
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1st hand

I would like a little smaller bet like 1.30-1.50 on the turn just because he has only 10 usd. I maybe would shove turn to his raise or let it go because he got just 10 bucks

Against a fullstack Im much more likely to call turn and check / call the river just because i would hate myself if i get raised, but since he got only about 4 bucks behind i think a bet is fine. I think u commit urself by calling the turn raise.A 10 is in his range, but maybe he just tries to abuse the "minraise=the nuts"-thinking, which i feel happens more and more

2nd hand

I would bet the turn here 100 %. The 9 is a pretty good card for u, and u keep contol in the hand

3rd Hand

I probably fold pre. As played, i would cbet the flop, bet the turn aswell, but since he calls the turn iam quiet sure he got a weak king, so no reason to fire at this river. I think no bet makes him fold a king

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Old 10-21-2008, 08:54 AM
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All 3 hands: The flop is good, the turn is marginal/bad, c/f the river.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:24 AM
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Hand 1: c/c the turn and fold to huge river bet

Hand 2: A c/c /w a draw oop on the turn = hard to play on the river. Just c/f against the shortstack on the turn.

Hand 3: Why did you raise /w 97s oop preflop after one limper? After villain called your flop bet, he is unlikely to fold to a turn bet. So decide, if you want to make a 3barrel bluff and rep a big hand or just c/f, cause most of the time you won't hit your OESD on the river (you could decide to bluff 50%, if the river bricks, too). But only 3barrel bluff, if you know, that villain can lay down TP and is not a station. So against an unknown I might just check the turn and hope, that he pot controls most hands (if he loves to float, you could crai the turn, but only /w history), so we see a free river and can bet our straight 4 value or just c/f, if the river bricks.
As played: If his WTSD is huge to normal, I just c/f or make a small bet in the second case, to fold QT, if his WTSD is small, I make a big bet on the river.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:35 PM
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Cool! thanks for the advice guys.

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If his WTSD is huge to normal, I just c/f or make a small bet in the second case, to fold QT, if his WTSD is small, I make a big bet on the river.
What's a normal WTSD range? Mine's at 21% and I feel like I have a pretty conservative post flop game.
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Old 10-22-2008, 05:07 AM
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21% means, that you are easy to bluff and hard to value bet (if the rest of your stats is reasonable).
Something like 27% is quite solid. (My WTSD is 30.5% atm and I'm working on not being a station ^^)
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:05 PM
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Oh cool! That's really good know, thanks.
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