JJ, was shoving correct???

Marky89 · #1 (**permalink**) 10-24-2008, 07:44 AM

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Villian was an ok player, even tough he was playing a 41/24 with a 3bet of 6.
What do u think his range is and is it correct for me to shove here?

UTG: $97.95
MP: $23.35
CO: $45.65
Hero (BTN): $61.65
SB: $127.80
BB: $9.31

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with J:heart: J:club:
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.25, SB raises to $9.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $6.75

Flop: ($19.00) 5:spade: 7:spade: 3:club: (2 players)
SB bets $15.00, Hero raises to $52.65 all in, SB calls $37.65

Turn: ($124.30) K:spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($124.30) T:heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

TheDeKay · #2 (**permalink**) 10-24-2008, 09:23 AM

Fine for me. I might even repop him pre, cause a flop /w overcards will be hard to play

Michaellawrw · #3 (**permalink**) 10-24-2008, 09:31 AM

Have to go on your read. This is tough cause he did repop it pre. I may smooth call and if he shoves this turn you know you are beat.

TheDeKay · #4 (**permalink**) 10-24-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Michaellawrw

Have to go on your read. This is tough cause he did repop it pre. I may smooth call and if he shoves this turn you know you are beat.

If you want to fold an JJ-overpair in a 3bet pot, than just fold preflop, cause odds for set-mining are bad.
Since we are in steal-position folding JJ pre vs a 3bet from a person, that can resteal, is bad - so you could call or repop it pre. If you call and get an overpair and he Cbets - just shove over him, cause you won't get any more money from a worse hand and you just give a "free card" to hands like AQ or AK and a A or K turn is very ugly to play.

Michaellawrw · #5 (**permalink**) 10-24-2008, 10:17 AM

Do we always play JJ like the nuts? Its an overpair that is easily beat. 6% 3bet means nil over a small amount of hands. It is possible he is restealing. If you are gonna shove the overpair on the flop why do we not 4bet pre and fold to a shove?
It is all a take on how you will play the hand. 4bet pre sounds the best of the advice. AA KK will let us know then if we are beat as will QQ most of the time. And he if he 5bets pre with AK he's a donk you want anyway.

given1982 · #6 (**permalink**) 10-24-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Michaellawrw

Do we always play JJ like the nuts? Its an overpair that is easily beat. 6% 3bet means nil over a small amount of hands. It is possible he is restealing. If you are gonna shove the overpair on the flop why do we not 4bet pre and fold to a shove?
It is all a take on how you will play the hand. 4bet pre sounds the best of the advice. AA KK will let us know then if we are beat as will QQ most of the time. And he if he 5bets pre with AK he's a donk you want anyway.

I always play JJ like the nuts against a 41/24 with 6% 3bet (no one ever said this was over a small amount of hands) in a 3bet pot with all undercards on the flop in a button vs. small blind situation. 4bet/folding JJ preflop is really bad. If you want to play weak/tight, then calling the 3bet and folding to the cbet or just folding to the 3bet are cheaper ways to do it. If you 4bet preflop, it should be with the intention of snapping off a shove.

TheDeKay · #7 (**permalink**) 10-24-2008, 10:45 AM

A 5bet shove /w AK from the SB vs the Button is fine for me. Actually it's not suuuch a good line to 3bet AK and fold to a 4bet in a Blinds vs Button situation.
In a SB vs BB or a Button vs Blinds confrontation we could play JJ like the nuts, if villain is not a nit. (And this villain does not look like a nit^^)

If we call the flop, then there is about 49$ in the pot and we have 40$ left. So if the turn is a low card and he bets... 15$ do you fold?

Michaellawrw · #8 (**permalink**) 10-24-2008, 01:02 PM

Turn is low I am shoving.
I am starting to see where you guys are coming from but I am curious of a few questions.

Why are we shoving?
Is it to make AK fold and 1010 to call us or A9?

I just see the shove as him only calling us with better and thats why I was against it before

Is it possible he AK of spades or 3 different sets or QQ+

I think my problem is I am being results oriented. Please tell me if I am. I would like to understand this situation better because I do run into this spot Button vs blind.