Folding overpair to turn raise?

[ThatDeviant]

Just moved a bit of cash over to stars so back in the micro's to get used to the software.

No real reads on villain exept for the fact he'd already folded to 3bets 4/4 since I'd sat down which explains my flat in position to keep him in.

Should I have still repopped him pre despite his tendancy to snap fold to them? Can I get away from this on the turn?

Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $5.70
UTG: $34.65
MP: $8.65
CO: $10.00
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $8.55

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K:heart: K:spade:
UTG raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 6:heart: 6:spade: 7:club: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.50, UTG calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.35) 9:club: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4.25, UTG raises to $32.15

[Michaellawrw]

Im fine with the fold because most don't bluff this turn at this level. Pocket 99's are in hist range along with 77 and the occasional 66. 76 is possible jsut probably minute and the occasional A6s.

I say you are only ahead of pocket 8's at this point or possibly 1010.

[ThatDeviant]

What about hands that picked up club draws on the turn?

[given1982]

I 3bet preflop every time. If he's already folded to 4 3bets, he should be tightening up his opening range and he should be itching to play back to a 3bet. Also, he's UTG, where his opening range should be the tightest.

As played I snapcall the turn, because his line doesn't make any sense, because 25NL droolers do stupid things with stupid hands (89 and backdoor clubs come to mind), and because you're playing 2 levels below your normal level, but I don't know that it's +EV, and I'd expect to be beat a lot.

[ThatDeviant]

Yeah I haven't played 25NL for so long that I don't understand lines like this anymore. I did snap call and he showed 77. I still think there is value from a lot of draws and pair + gutshot type hands.

You're right about 3betting aswell, especially when his opening range UTG will be tightest and my BTN 3bet range will be loosest. Classic mistake of not wanting to lose him after running cold for a while.

Cheers for input.

[Michaellawrw]

Originally Posted by given1982

I 3bet preflop every time. If he's already folded to 4 3bets, he should be tightening up his opening range and he should be itching to play back to a 3bet. Also, he's UTG, where his opening range should be the tightest.

As played I snapcall the turn, because his line doesn't make any sense, because 25NL droolers do stupid things with stupid hands (89 and backdoor clubs come to mind), and because you're playing 2 levels below your normal level, but I don't know that it's +EV, and I'd expect to be beat a lot.

Do you think with just his very large raise that it is a draw? I think this is a case of giving our open to little credit? Just probing for why his line puts him on a marginal hand? I have seen this line with people who just have the 6 so I may not have given him the boat but at least trips.

3bet pre is for sure but he may have stacked you on the flop (guess then is better then never) but this turn gives us some excuse to fold.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by Michaellawrw

Do you think with just his very large raise that it is a draw?

The raise size is definitely a factor, but c/c, c/r as the preflop raiser is such a weird line. It does indicate a monster a lot (which is why I said that calling the shove is probably - EV), but it can definitely also be a drooler spazzing out because he doesn't believe you or because he picked up some outs on the turn.

Originally Posted by Michaellawrw

I think this is a case of giving our open to little credit?

Huh? Villain opened.

Originally Posted by Michaellawrw

3bet pre is for sure but he may have stacked you on the flop (guess then is better then never) but this turn gives us some excuse to fold.

If hero had 3bet preflop, then I think folding at any point to any action on this board would be awful.

[ThatDeviant]

Originally Posted by given1982

If hero had 3bet preflop, then I think folding at any point to any action on this board would be awful.

This is spot on and sums up how I feel about the hand now.

I stacked myself this time rather than being able to say 'standard cooler'.

[Michaellawrw]

Originally Posted by given1982

Huh? Villain opened.
If hero had 3bet preflop, then I think folding at any point to any action on this board would be awful.

Sorry I meant the way you said it gives our opponent too little credit but as you said it is still -EV.

I meant if he didn't 3bet the turn gives us excuses to fold.
3bet your right we cant fold.