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Old 10-30-2008, 11:15 AM
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Unhappy More NL25 Downswing hands.

Absolutely devastating downswing the last 3 days. Happily crushing the limit for most of the month @ 13ptbb/10 and now breaking even after running like total shit for the past 8k hands. Sample size obv.

Some more hands I need you guys to take a look at because whilst I'm 90% sure this is just bad variance that my opponents have the nuts everytime/ check raise me every time/ hit draws all the time/ I miss more than 66% of flop all the time/ my top pair is never good all the time/ - I still always critize my own play. Yeah I'ts lower limits than usual but I'm still baffled.

Oh, I just had a 1500 hand session and had a 'Won Money @ Showdown' of 10%. That can't be normal? It isn't when I'm beating NL100 anyway.

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Villain huge fish - 41/1 over a decent sample.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $46.80
MP: $25.00
CO: $14.65
BTN: $27.50
SB: $109.40
BB: $26.35

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with A :club: A :heart:
Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.25) 3 :spade: 9 :heart: 6 :club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.75, SB calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.75) Q :diamond: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, SB calls $4.50

River: ($14.75) 9 :club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $24, Hero..

Do I really have to fold to this?

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Same villain.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: $52.25
UTG: $17.95
Hero (MP): $28.45
CO: $25.00
BTN: $37.90
SB: $16.50

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with 8 :heart: 8 :diamond:
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.25) 3 :club: 7 :club: 7 :diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.75, BTN raises to $5.50, SB folds, Hero calls $2.75

Turn: ($14.25) 9 :spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.50, Hero..

Should have bet/folded turn?

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Same villain again..

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $27.90
SB: $25.10
BB: $27.85
UTG: $146.15
CO: $12.10

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K :spade: A :spade:
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.40, BB calls $1.25, UTG raises to $10.25, Hero raises to $27.90 all in

..standard? Easy fold?

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Villain 74/26/3

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: $50.80
MP: $29.50
Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $25.00
SB: $15.25
BB: $17.60

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with T :club: T :diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB raises to $1.75, BB calls $1.50, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($5.25) 8 :club: 8 :spade: 7 :heart: (3 players)
SB bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $4.75, BB folds

Turn: ($18.50) 9 :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $7.50 all in, Hero..

..is confused by this line.

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Thankyou to anyone who goes through these. Apprechiate it a lot in my hour of need.
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Old 10-30-2008, 12:25 PM
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First hand:
The river card sucks alot because he called our flop bet on a very dry board so a 9 is very much in his range or an overpair like 1010 or JJ , i cant see any other hand he could have. He wouldnt reraise those preflop with his stats. When the 9 comes on the river and he minraises, you are beaten because he wouldnt minraise without a 9 i guess but I'd also have a difficult time laying down aces. I dont think its a big mistake to call (or even not a mistake at all) here but i wouldnt have bet that big on the river.

Second hand:
Fold against his minraise. He is minraising against two people, i dont expect him to do that with a worse hand than you. Also almost every card that comes on the turn or river is a bad card for you to continue.

Third hand:
standard fold at microstakes : limp - reraise = AA or KK played in a typical donkey way

Last hand:
Hmm, i have no idea what to do here

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Old 10-30-2008, 01:21 PM
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On hands 1 and 2, we need to know something about villain's postflop tendencies. It looks like he's minraising enough for you to know something about what it means. If he minraises TPGK, draws, and random air, then the answer is a lot different than if he only minraises 2 pair +. Without any information other than 41/1, I call the river in hand 1 and call the turn in hand 2 and c/c a small bet on the river.

Hand 3 depends a lot on game flow and your image imo. I'm usually shoving over the limp/3bet, but against a 41/1, a fold might be in order, especially if he doesn't see you as getting out of line.

Hand 4 is a call imo because, given the 3.5:1 pot odds, you have the correct odds against overpairs.
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Old 10-30-2008, 01:31 PM
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I'd seen him make some simualar raises post flop against other players but they never got to showdown for me to see what he was doing them with. The AK hand was purely because I had blockers to a possible AA or KK, giving me some (not a great deal but some) FE over the dead money. I'd also been isoing him hard for the last few orbits so he might have been pissed. He did end up tanking followed by calling, showed QQ which obv held.

I called Hand 4 and he had KK (lol). Hand one I tried to fold for ages before calling and he showed 33 after slowplaying the hell out of it. Seems I'm hitting the top of everyones range but the purpose is really to see if by going broke on any of these is really a big mistake. If it's not then I can handle this swing.
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I'd seen him make some simualar raises post flop against other players but they never got to showdown for me to see what he was doing them with. The AK hand was purely because I had blockers to a possible AA or KK, giving me some (not a great deal but some) FE over the dead money. I'd also been isoing him hard for the last few orbits so he might have been pissed. He did end up tanking followed by calling, showed QQ which obv held.

I called Hand 4 and he had KK (lol). Hand one I tried to fold for ages before calling and he showed 33 after slowplaying the hell out of it. Seems I'm hitting the top of everyones range but the purpose is really to see if by going broke on any of these is really a big mistake. If it's not then I can handle this swing.
If you ended up getting your whole stack in on hand 2 without filling up, then that's problematic, but the other 3 are marginal.
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I folded the turn in hand 2.
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Old 11-01-2008, 08:06 PM
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Define "bad" player. 40/1 who raises any amount has IT every fucking time. They are telling you what they have when they raise. They're raising AA preflop and made hands postflop. Just believe.

Min3bets preflop usually mean AA,KK by bad players also. Weak bets after they did any re-raising preflop usually means strong. But a weak bet doesn't mean they'll fold to a raise either because they don't know how to fold.

You just have to get used playing lower levels again I think. You're giving villains too much credit for being creative and aggressive and not enough credit for just playing their hands face up.

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Old 11-01-2008, 08:22 PM
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You just have to get used playing lower levels again I think. You're giving villains too much credit for being creative and aggressive and not enough credit for just playing their hands face up.
Yeah, you're probably right.

I had to get them all checked though because this downswing was devastating. I'm confident that most of my plays have been +ev, just one of those things when I'm up money in non-showdown and down money in showdown (10% W$SD LOL) and spite calling a few donks. These marginal spots are the ones I have trouble with at the micro's.

I've made a revival anyway, still wayyyy down in EV but still up in money won so hopefully people stop outflopping me and putting me in bad turn spots.

Thanks to everyone.
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