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Old 11-07-2008, 01:41 PM
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Default AJs facing button steal in BB

Very first hand of the session.Pretty standard???

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CO ($104.05)
Button ($49.25)
SB ($50.25)
Hero (BB) ($50)
UTG ($110.55)
MP ($37.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, A
3 folds, Button raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7, Button raises to $17, 1 fold

Total pot: $14.25 | Rake: $0

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Outcome: Button won $14.25
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Well, we could call pre from time to time, but I have no problem /w a 3bet. And folding AJs to a 4bet... why should this be a bad move without any history? ^^
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Standard.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:26 PM
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I probably wouldn't 3bet against a 50NL unknown. Against a light button opener, this is super standard.
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Old 11-07-2008, 03:00 PM
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I probably wouldn't 3bet against a 50NL unknown. Against a light button opener, this is super standard.
Agreed. I won't 3-bet an unknown, especially the first hand at the table, unless I feel comfortable getting it in. Against a steal machine though, I'll 3-bet even lighter than AJs.
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Old 11-09-2008, 04:32 PM
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1st hand nobody ever gives you much credit anyway.

But I guess the paranoid question is did you think he thought you were making a move cause you just sat down? And I think considering you did just sit down, it is a move, even with AJs versus a button raise. It looks like a move, it feels like a move, and it probably is a move. It looks like you're raising because of the button open and you want to get the message out right now that "I'm not here to get my blinds stolen."

Considering 0 history and how the button raise looks really weak in a vacuum, your 3bet also looks weak. I know some random guy sitting down then showing Q4o or 52 in this spot happens frequently enough that it doesn't surprise me anymore. People just feel frisky/nervous/excited when they sit down. He might have had a hand, or he might have just took the dead money because most (full buy-in) players w/o reads don't call 4bets on their 1st hand unless they do have the real hand (even if they raised with a likely best hand like KQ,AT,QJs, etc). And it's very unlikely you get the real hand your 1st try.

That's why I seem to nearly always get action when I get a big pair dealt within 5 hands of me sitting down at a new table.

So... with all that said, I think 3betting AJs in the blind should NOT be standard your 1st hand. It's not that great a hand, you're oop, and you'll get played back at a lot cause of the fact you did just sit down.

However, you still likely have the best hand. In a vacuum. Even versus a 20% stealer. So I think raising more than standard, say 4-5x achieves a "yes I did just sit down, but I really do have a hand here, bud" and decreases the chances of getting played back at.

I think just folding is acceptable also. I always play like a tard when I start sesssions anyway.

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Old 11-09-2008, 08:12 PM
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You really didnt need to white out the results, lol.
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You really didnt need to white out the results, lol.

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