Correct Shove?

[davo_daman]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($25)
UTG ($16.70)
MP ($27.50)
CO ($14.15)
Button ($16.35)
SB ($10.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 3
4 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.50) 5, 6, K (2 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.40, SB raises to $4, Hero raises to $24.75 (All-In), SB calls $5.80 (All-In)

Turn: ($20.10) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($20.10) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20.10 | Rake: $1

Villain has QK and is 17/8 over 81 hands.

[dansiek]

due to villains stack yes it is correct.

[loltrickedu]

i dont think i would raise the flop because the villian has so little behind, you are building the pot too fast commiting you and him to any hand

[Padawan]

I really dont like raise on the flop.
when he 3bets us to almost 1/2 his stack I hate your shove. The point of shoving these draws is also the fold equity you should have. Really you dont want to be called because if you are called you are always racing. Against a short stack if you want to embrace variance thats fine.

OH NO - I just realized this is a limped pot - try to avoid playing big pots when its limped
if you like your hand just call the flop dont raise

[no eff eks]

Originally Posted by Padawan

OH NO - I just realized this is a limped pot - try to avoid playing big pots when its limped
if you like your hand just call the flop dont raise

Sorry, but I reeeaaaalllly don't like this advice and it's something I've seen a lot over the years. I've yet to see a good explanation as to why this is (supposedly) true.

That said -- your flop raise is fine imo. The guy is obviously pretty horrible, and people that limp the sb will often donk any flop... we have great equity if he happens to 3bet, but our EV is higher if we can just take down the $1 that's in the pot right now with our 7-high.

We can call I guess, but it's just not going to easy to stack the guy no matter what... so our EV for calling can't be all that great. I'd rather use my FE and if he doesn't fold it's basically a coin flip.

[postoakpoker]

Isn't it just a plain old poker law to not go broke in an unraised pot

[no eff eks]

Originally Posted by postoakpoker

Isn't it just a plain old poker law to not go broke in an unraised pot

It's more like a poker cliche... like I said -- I've never heard any good reasons why you shouldn't be playing big pots when it was limped pre.

[Padawan]

ok no eff eks,
When you are playing a hand out of the Big blind you would have folded if he raised but now you want to go broke with it.

No way... I dont know how this makes sense at all. Oh I like my draw on the flop so Ill go broke... If he happen to flop 2 pair here he is not going anywhere and I think we do not need to inflate a limped pot with a 3bet. You are inflating the pot unnecessarily. If he is a bad player then he will pay you off when you hit anyway.

[no eff eks]

Whether I would fold to a raise preflop is completely irrelevant when deciding what to do on the flop. When we get this flop there are simply very few hands that have us in bad shape -- especially considering the fact that the villain limped PF.

If you aren't willing to play a huge draw like this aggressively then you're not playing very well imo.

[postoakpoker]

Originally Posted by no eff eks

Whether I would fold to a raise preflop is completely irrelevant when deciding what to do on the flop. When we get this flop there are simply very few hands that have us in bad shape -- especially considering the fact that the villain limped PF.

If you aren't willing to play a huge draw like this aggressively then you're not playing very well imo.

This logic is inherently flawed; since the pot is so small, villain has absolutely no reason to play a big pot UNLESS he has us in bad shape. In all likelihood he's not just getting in w/ TPBK. When the pot is larger, in a raised or 3b pot, then villain has an incentive to try and make moves with weaker or more speculative hands to take down the relatively large pot. This isn't the case here.

A big part of the reason for playing strong draws aggressively is the fold equity associated with the aggression. The FE + the chance of actually hitting the hand makes the play +EV. Since villain is playing back at us, he likely hit the flop hard and we don't have much fold equity. Top it off with the fact that what fold equity we DO have will only win us a small pot, and I see no reason to bloat the pot when the villain clearly has an interest in playing and we're in position.