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Old 12-30-2008, 02:11 AM
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Default some AK hands

I have been getting crushed lately so just wanted to post some hands to check if what I am doing is correct. Thanks-


1)villian is multitabling reg who I respect, when he 4bets I am very certain this is KK or AA. Still push? edit: now that I see this again in this format this an obv. fold. dumb play by me, capt. donkoffalotamus here.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($9.70)
MP ($2.65)
Button ($20)
SB ($8.65)
Hero (BB) ($10.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A
UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.50, UTG raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10.40 (All-In), UTG calls $4.70 (All-In)

Flop: ($20) 10, 5, 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($20) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($20) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20 | Rake: $1



2)unknown, not been at table long, no reads
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($6.05)
BB ($2.40)
UTG ($10.20)
Hero (MP) ($14.80)
CO ($3.45)
Button ($6.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, K
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls $0.40, SB raises to $1.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.80, 1 fold, SB calls $4.85 (All-In)

Flop: ($12.60) 9, 5, 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($12.60) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($12.60) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $12.60 | Rake: $0.60


3)I decided to check the turn because I figured I am only beating like AQ here and didn't want to get check raise, have to call the river, not sure if there is value in raising here?

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Hero (UTG) ($10.40)
MP ($2.20)
CO ($9.60)
Button ($6)
SB ($12.30)
BB ($20.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K
Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.35) 5, A, J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, 1 fold, BB calls $1

Turn: ($3.35) 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.35) A (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Total pot: $5.35 | Rake: $0.25


4)villian is donk, station
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($10.10)
SB ($7.75)
Hero (BB) ($10.10)
UTG ($10.25)
MP ($13.55)
CO ($9.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Button raises to $0.60, SB calls $0.55, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls $1.40, SB calls $1.40

Flop: ($6.20) 8, 7, 10 (3 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $4.10, Button raises to $8.10 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $4 (All-In)

Turn: ($22.90) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($22.90) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $22.90 | Rake: $1.10

Last edited by wiltronic; 12-30-2008 at 02:16 AM. Reason: another hand and first one was a fold
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Old 12-30-2008, 06:22 AM
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Don't ever shove AK at micros, its probably the most -EV play you can make.
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Old 12-30-2008, 07:23 AM
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Yes, shoving AK, especially offsuit, is throwing money away on micro limits. I almost always fold to 4bets with AK, be it suited or offsuit...

If villain has 50bb and I've 3bet him around 15bb, then I think I have to call his shove. But even in that situation I hate it. AK always fails. Sometimes you flip vs. AK, JJ or QQ and the other times you are normally big underdog.
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Old 12-30-2008, 08:54 AM
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Don't get carried away, guys. At 25 NL this advice is godawful, I can't be sure about 10NL but I doubt it can be that THAT much different there. At 25NL, against readless I'm getting it in every single time, I need a strong read to fold. Maybe you should be much more careful at 10NL, but it still sure as hell can't be anywhere CLOSE to "never shove pre". There are only 3 possible two card combinations that crush you and 3 that you have only 30% equity against. The rest are ALL at least almost a coinflip.
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Old 12-30-2008, 08:55 AM
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Don't ever shove AK at micros, its probably the most -EV play you can make.
Yep. It's more -EV than shoving 72o or calling any bet with any gutshot.
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:27 AM
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Lol the sarcasm.

Anyways, hand 1 just follow your read and fold if u r that sure its AA/KK ldo.
The only hand i don'r really like is hand 4, when we call what the hell are we beating lol?
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as said earlier and before.
Don't shove unless you want to embrace the variance against full stack, don't 4bet either if you don't want to get it in.
But no problem to get it in against shorties, cause their range is wider, unless SS is complete nit.

and never check draw heavy board and give him chance to suck out on you on the river, cause you gave him free shot.
Bet the turn, if scary card comes c/c, bet block bet/f. OR bet for value.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:07 PM
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hmmm, wow really? Now I am confused. In the videos I have watched loltrickedu always says AK is a raising or reraising hand. He always seems happy to get it in with AK I think. Am I imagining this? This is level dependant? I guess I have been having really mixed success with AK and I was really wondering if this was correct. So I should be folding this more and maybe just flatting raises sometimes?

dansiek, hand 4 I am not folding ever to this player. Absolute retard donk, he had 56o here. Just not ever folding against him. I'll take the variance on this one.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE R8tme as said earlier and before.
Don't shove unless you want to embrace the variance against full stack, don't 4bet either if you don't want to get it in.
But no problem to get it in against shorties, cause their range is wider, unless SS is complete nit.



just looked over this again and I guess this pretty much covers it. And vary as needed with reads I think. Ok, thanks for the help!
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