QQ with K flop

[wiltronic]

not sure I like how I played this. After looking at this I think I need to bet a smaller amount on the flop in case I get raised. Here I believe I am committed to calling his push which I wasn't happy about at all because I certain he had a K at that point. How much should I bet on the flop? Would $1.50 be better and fold to a raise?


Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($4.08)
Button ($4.72)
SB ($28.26)
Hero (BB) ($7.15)
UTG ($9.97)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
2 folds, Button raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, Button calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55) 4, 10, K (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button raises to $3.47 (All-In), Hero calls $1.47

Turn: ($9.49) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($9.49) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $9.49 | Rake: $0.45

[ShoveOrFold]

The button is way too short for you to do much else.

When the villains are this short, you could cbet a little bit less, since it has the same fold equity. Try betting 1.75 in this spot. Otherwise, nh.

[Vantek]

Hmm... No reads?

I wonder what happens if we bet even less, like $1.00? I think JJ, AQ, AJ, QJ will call, some random AT, JT, T9 will call, even 77-99 might peel and I doubt he'll think you're going to fold with so little left behind and bluff you.

When the villains are this short, you could cbet a little bit less, since it has the same fold equity.

Fold equity? I don't think an overshove has any fold equity here. He's never going to fold a king and everything else you want him to call.

[wiltronic]

yeah, no reads sorry, not been at table long. So you are saying to try betting $1.00 and then fold to a push or raise? But if I do that won't that be giving him pretty good odds to call for a lot of those drawing hands that you mention? 3.55 to 1?

Also after seeing your post I realize I am probably being too narrow in my thinking. He could certainly have other holdings than Kx. I guess Kx is just a portion of the range he could be doing this with. I tend to instantly believe people and of course no one would ever do this with a draw or combo draw. Ok, maybe my play wasn't so bad after all. I guess this is one of the challenges of playing against a small stack.

[Billy]

I would play it just like you did. hes so short + 1 overcard is a good flop so Im calling his all in every time.

[Vantek]

Ok, maybe my play wasn't so bad after all. I guess this is one of the challenges of playing against a small stack.

Yeah, your play definitely wasn't bad. In fact, I think it was standard. With 6-10 tables up, I would play the same. It's bad to fold this flop against an unknown shorty, ever, I don't know what I was thinking when I said we don't want him to bluff (probably let your comment on being "certain that he has a K" influence me as if it was a read ><), the question is how to get him to stack the lightest. Honestly I don't think there's much of a difference what we do. If you could suspect he had a brain, you could overshove which would look like you want him to fold, thus possibly inducing a call from various tens and even 77-99 but we don't even know if he realises that. You're right about in a vacuum $1 giving too good odds to QJ and AQ. So just bet anywhere between $1.50 and $3.47 and call =P

Board: Kc Td 4s
Hand 0: 47.691% { QQ }
Hand 1: 52.309% { QQ-TT, AQs-AJs, KTs+, QJs, AQo-AJo, KTo+, QJo }

(And then of course there are the random bluffs, AT, JT, T9 etc.)

[TheDeKay]

I 3bet more pre and might c/c, so he really could bluff. But I'm not folding here.

[dansiek]

me thinks you should refill ur stack preflop.

[wiltronic]

ok, this hand got me thinking a little bit. This is a pretty standard hand because the opponent is so short. At what point does his stack make this a fold? If he had $10 for instance and he shoves over our $2 flop bet, would this become a fold? If he just smooth calls do you shut down on the turn? Would this influence the size of the flop bet?

[bust_it_out]

Originally Posted by wiltronic

ok, this hand got me thinking a little bit. This is a pretty standard hand because the opponent is so short. At what point does his stack make this a fold? If he had $10 for instance and he shoves over our $2 flop bet, would this become a fold? If he just smooth calls do you shut down on the turn? Would this influence the size of the flop bet?

I would fold QQ to a shove on that flop if you both started with a full stack.