Correct play?

[davo_daman]

Can I call this on the river?
Villain is 28/13 over 116 hands.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($42.90)
Button ($28.75)
SB ($26.50)
Hero (BB) ($29.85)
UTG ($27.50)
MP ($31.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, A
3 folds, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 6, 10, K (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, Button calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.10) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, Button calls $3.50

River: ($12.10) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7.25, Hero folds

Total pot: $12.10 | Rake: $0.60


This was a really bad shove by me I feel but should I have just called on the turn?
Villain is 31/5 over 134 hands.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($18)
MP ($34.65)
CO ($25)
Hero (Button) ($47.85)
SB ($18.25)
BB ($26.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 6
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, 1 fold, BB calls $0.85, UTG calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.40) 10, 9, 3 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($8.40) 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $3.50, Hero raises to $18.90, UTG calls $10.90 (All-In)

River: ($37.20) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $37.20 | Rake: $1.85

[no eff eks]

First hand I snap call on the river... second hand I agree the shove is a poor one. Given his line he's likely to be strong and since he's short compared to the pot size you've got basically zero FE. Call and hope to spike an out -- if you do you'll get all his mobnies.

[postoakpoker]

Hand 1: no idea why you folded on the river. yeah he could have been calling w/ a fd, but there are a lot of other hands in his range that he thinks he's vbing with because of your check, and of course he could always be trying to use the 4 card straight on the board to bluff you.

Hand 2: with such a dry board and a loose but passive villain firing a 2nd barrel, his range is probably pretty strong here. your line also looks like a nuts or air hand; the offsuit 2 is about as much of a blank as possible and is therefore a terrible card to semibluff with. you'll never get him to fold an overpair. like no effs said, he's also short so you have no FE.

[Padawan]

agreed... I see myself trying to semi bluff shove like in that 2nd hand... Negative EV imo... Im working on getting that outa my game.

First hand I think check call is fine... or if you are that worried about the flush I would have done a 1/3 pot value/blocker bet.... looks like a value bet but if he shove over.. you gotta figure hes got the flush... no other reason to shove.. st8 just calls to split and 2 pair calls cuz afraid of everything else.

[postoakpoker]

Originally Posted by Padawan

First hand I think check call is fine... or if you are that worried about the flush I would have done a 1/3 pot value/blocker bet.... looks like a value bet but if he shove over.. you gotta figure hes got the flush... no other reason to shove.. st8 just calls to split and 2 pair calls cuz afraid of everything else.

I prefer c/c to a blocking bet bc you give villain a chance to bluff. also, some players are bad enough to shove over your blocking bet w/ just the J, completely ignoring the flush out there, and that puts you in a tough spot. with that said, you also lose some value from 2 pair hands that might look you up if you go with the blocking bet.

[given1982]

1 - perfect if you call the river.
2 - preflop is really marginal, and the turn is utter spew.

[ShadesAA]

First hand, bet more on the turn at least $4 , u want to get money from your made hand at this point and youve a draw to the nut flush , as played a call on the river seems fine to me

Second hand , fold preflop

[bust_it_out]

Originally Posted by ShadesAA

First hand, bet more on the turn at least $4 , u want to get money from your made hand at this point and youve a draw to the nut flush , as played a call on the river seems fine to me

Second hand , fold preflop

+1
Although I'd still raise k6s if it were folded to you.

[no eff eks]

Isolation raising with K6s is just fine as long as you know what you're doing post flop. As long as you are able to avoid bad RIO situations then it's definitely a hand you should be raising.

[postoakpoker]

Originally Posted by no eff eks

Isolation raising with K6s is just fine as long as you know what you're doing post flop. As long as you are able to avoid bad RIO situations then it's definitely a hand you should be raising.

I might contest that raising it would depend a lot on your perception of the players in the blinds, but then again I like to debate