Called a 3bet from a deep stack with AJs

[mahhddgtp]

Okay, I raised PF with AJs on a 25NL table... The reason I called it is because I was looking to stack someone who was DEEP. I had $81 and the villain had $56.

I raised PF to $1 when I was UTG+1 and the guy immediately behind me RR to $3. Fold all around... Since we were so deep, I smooth called looking for a strong draw.

Flop: Ad 9s 7c -- so rainbow flop...

I donked out 2/3rds pot ($4) to see where I was in the hand... I figured he would fold QQ or KK or float hoping he was good... Instead he re-raised me a little over 2x to $9. I figured since AQ to AA was in his range, that I just folded since it's too marginal of a spot for me to blow up the pot, especially out of position.

Dudeman raked a $13 pot...

How was my play on this one? Where do you think he was in this hand?

[postoakpoker]

Calling with a hand this weak (vs a 3b range) is okay here since you're deep. If you flop 2pair vs his AK or hit a straight or flush, you might be able to double through. I definitely fold if he raises your donk on the A high board, although I'm not sure why you'd WANT him to fold KK or QQ when you've outflopped him in a 3b pot.

[given1982]

Please post a converted hand history next time instead of this narrative that's much harder to follow. It will also help you get useful feedback if you include ANY information about the villain.

Calling a UTG+1 3bet OOP with AJs with no information about villain other than his stack size is terrible.

Your logic for donking the flop is also really bad--you want to fold out QQ and KK? You realize that you have a pair of aces right?

[mahhddgtp]

Originally Posted by given1982

Please post a converted hand history next time instead of this narrative that's much harder to follow. It will also help you get useful feedback if you include ANY information about the villain.

Calling a UTG+1 3bet OOP with AJs with no information about villain other than his stack size is terrible.

Your logic for donking the flop is also really bad--you want to fold out QQ and KK? You realize that you have a pair of aces right?

I tried. This was from Bodog and I couldn't find any converters... Even the Trikkur replayer wasn't picking it up.

The guy was a good player... There's no software that allows me to HUD a player... But I respected his table play.... He was deep stacked, so you can't knock me for calling with a hand that has the ability to flop hard.

I donked for more information --> to see where I was in the hand... PLUS I wanted to take away the opportunity for him to bluff at teh board. Had he flatted me, I would've been really thinking I was good.

Originally Posted by postoakpoker

Calling with a hand this weak (vs a 3b range) is okay here since you're deep. If you flop 2pair vs his AK or hit a straight or flush, you might be able to double through. I definitely fold if he raises your donk on the A high board, although I'm not sure why you'd WANT him to fold KK or QQ when you've outflopped him in a 3b pot.

Yeah, that's the only reason I called pre. I wasn't certain if he had QQ or KK.... But my donk lead was going to tell me what he was on.... And his RR told me he had AQ+++

[postoakpoker]

Originally Posted by given1982

Please post a converted hand history next time instead of this narrative that's much harder to follow. It will also help you get useful feedback if you include ANY information about the villain.

Calling a UTG+1 3bet OOP with AJs with no information about villain other than his stack size is terrible.

Your logic for donking the flop is also really bad--you want to fold out QQ and KK? You realize that you have a pair of aces right?

You don't think the massive implied odds (~$53 eff. behind) vs 3betting range warrant a $2 call hoping to get the perfect flop? Granted I'd much rather have a small pair or a SC, and I normally hate calling 3bets with AQ/AJ type hands, but folding with this much behind seems too nitty. Maybe you're right with no info on the villain though, idk.

[mahhddgtp]

So whatcha think there guys? Think he was on AK? Think he was getting cute? I ended up finding out what he was on. Test your skills, post up.

[postoakpoker]

His line looks like AK or AQ, so in a vaccum you made the right fold, but judging by your comments I'm guessing after you folded he showed you a non-set hand that didn't include an ace, like 1010-KK, maybe even a low pair or SC.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by postoakpoker

You don't think the massive implied odds (~$53 eff. behind) vs 3betting range warrant a $2 call hoping to get the perfect flop? Granted I'd much rather have a small pair or a SC, and I normally hate calling 3bets with AQ/AJ type hands, but folding with this much behind seems too nitty. Maybe you're right with no info on the villain though, idk.

I don't think your implied odds are that good because you are playing OOP and without the initiative, which means that it's harder to get paid off when you get the perfect flop.

Also you're 200bb deep with a reverse implied odds hand. If you want to wait for 2 pair+ or a huge combo draw, then the call is better, but OP donk/called or donk/3bet on A97.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by mahhddgtp

I donked for more information --> to see where I was in the hand... PLUS I wanted to take away the opportunity for him to bluff at teh board. Had he flatted me, I would've been really thinking I was good.

I disagree that you get any information or take away villain's opportunity to bluff--lots of TAGs have a knee-jerk reaction to raise donk bets. You might be good a fair amount of the time when he flats, but when he raises, you don't know if it's for value or just because you made a weird donk bet.

[mahhddgtp]

FWIW, he had AA

Originally Posted by given1982

I disagree that you get any information or take away villain's opportunity to bluff--lots of TAGs have a knee-jerk reaction to raise donk bets. You might be good a fair amount of the time when he flats, but when he raises, you don't know if it's for value or just because you made a weird donk bet.

Yeah, I guess that's true. I did respect his play so I should've assumed I was going to get popped up after I donked