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Old 01-07-2009, 05:13 PM
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this guy is 56/20/2, unbluffable, maniac. 2 previous hands i had 3bet him from the blinds with ak and aq. The flop came 547r both times, and both times he floated my cbet and took the pot away on later streets. Been having a little bit of trouble with these types of players in 3bet pots lately that call all your 3bets and float/bluff raise every single time. I'm not exactly sure how 3betting these players with ak/aq is even profitable unless you connect and they have a draw, or 2nd best hand or give them a chance to bluff. It sucks just check folding in those spots every time, but I don't see anything else you can really do.
Heres2 of the hands I played against him, 1st hand I realize that the turn is a decent double barrel card, but I dont think it works against him. The 2nd hand is me making wierd adjustments.



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Old 01-07-2009, 05:29 PM
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First hand is fine, although I don't know what kind of hand he represents when he checks the turn back and bets the 9. Against a floater your hand might even be good but you have to be extremely confident in your reads to make calls w/ AK high. It's a LOT of fun when you do it and get it right, but you feel like a moron when you're no good. Have a funny live poker story about calling in a situation like this, but that's besides the point.

Second hand I would still 3b, although I guess your line against this opponent maximized your profits. A habitual floater can make your life uneasy if you don't adjust, but that's when you can teach him a lesson. 3bet your AK oop, cbet the A or K high flop as normal. Check the turn to him and CRAI if he tries to take it away (assuming the CRAI isn't an overshove, but it shouldn't be at this point in a 3bet pot). The pot is so big at this point sometimes they sometimes feel compelled to call w/ middle or bottom pair, and perhaps more importantly they'll learn to be very careful about floating you.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:33 PM
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First hand your cbet was way too big. In fact, you don't even need to cbet this kind of board at all. The only hands that fold are hands that are way behind you. If you're going to cbet though make it something just over 1/2 pot. Cbets do not need to be big in 3bet pots.

Second hand I prefer a 3bet preflop, but as played I like your line post flop.
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:59 PM
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You need to 3bet bigger OOP.

You don't have to cbet in every pot--especially against someone who is not inclined to fold to cbets.
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Old 01-07-2009, 09:41 PM
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I hate this type of player. I know I should love them because they are putting so much money in with so many random hands, but I never know how to proceed.

I want to bet because I want to charge them to call ... but at the same time I hate to build a big pot when I'm not sure where I'm at.
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:23 AM
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I agree that a good way to adjust would be to cbet less often against these types of players but also to double barrel more so that way your opponents should be more inclined to think you are strong and should be expecting to face further aggression on the turn.

2nd hand I still think you should 3 bet this pre but I like how you played it post flop.
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Hand 1: Against this type of opponent I c/f the flop since I am OOP.

Hand 2: I prefer a 3bet preflop simply because you are OOP again. As played I think your line post-flop was fine
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Old 01-08-2009, 09:42 AM
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Hand 1: raise more pre, c flop and evaluate.
Hand 2: 3-bet pre, nice line
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