20NL - AQo in 3bet pot, flop AKQr, facing 3bet shove

[jeanpaulvalley]

Hey,

I'm afraid I don't have a HH for this, I'm grinding a kickback bonus on some weird little euro site that has a HH system I can't navigate at all.

History: The game's been fairly passive pre flop, so I've been 3betting a lot from the button, and not meeting too much resistance. I've kind of been waiting for people to play back at me. The last 15 hands or so I've been picking up big hands in position a lot, so my 3betting has been even more frequent.

Effective stacks are 110BBs.

Villain opens to 4x from MP, CO flats, I 3bet pot OTB, folds around to MP who flats, CO folds.

Pot is now around 40BBs.

Flop comes AKQr.

Villain checks. I bet about 34BBs. Villain shoves. Pot is ~165BBs, I have to call ~65BBs.

What does he shove with that we beat? KQs perhaps, AJs at a stretch. I think he 4bets AA or KK pre. I can see a villain just calling pf with AK at 20NL. Perhaps even QQ.

Call or fold? Is it close?

Comments on hand? I think in retrospect I bet a little too much on the flop, as this seems like WA/WB. I was thinking that if a J or a T fell on the turn it would be an awkward spot, and at the least it would kill any action.

[Richy47]

Given the fact you have been very aggressive recently this could just be someone getting frustrated and overplaying Ax......... this is a super easy call

[given1982]

The gigantic cbet is not necessary, and it leaves you with no other choice but to call because of the pot odds.

[Total Sweetheart]

Jean, what is WA/WB?

I think I would reluctantly call here. Hopefully he didn't flat you with AK or J 10 suited. The more I think about the more I lean to call.

[Richy47]

WA/WB = way ahead/way behind

[ShadesAA]

Originally Posted by given1982

The gigantic cbet is not necessary, and it leaves you with no other choice but to call because of the pot odds.

As trikr explains in one of his videos , in 3bet pots your cbet doesnt need to be that big because the pot is already alot bigger

[jeanpaulvalley]

Originally Posted by given1982

The gigantic cbet is not necessary, and it leaves you with no other choice but to call because of the pot odds.

In retrospect, I agree. How much would you c-bet here?

Let's say I had bet 25BBs - are we calling a 3bet or a shove? They're pretty much the same thing in that spot, right, because calling a small 3bet will commit us.

[jeanpaulvalley]

Originally Posted by Total Sweetheart

Jean, what is WA/WB?

As Richy said, it's a way ahead/way behind situation. One where you're not really worried about draws, because you're either crushing him or he's crushing you.

[Richy47]

Originally Posted by jeanpaulvalley

In retrospect, I agree. How much would you c-bet here?

Let's say I had bet 25BBs - are we calling a 3bet or a shove? They're pretty much the same thing in that spot, right, because calling a small 3bet will commit us.

In 3bet pots I normally cbet ~1/2 pot so maybe about $9.50-$10 here.

In a 3bet pot you shouldn't really be folding 2p on the flop ever so yes, I am calling a raise with the smaller cbet.

[no eff eks]

Originally Posted by Richy47

In 3bet pots I normally cbet ~1/2 pot so maybe about $9.50-$10 here.

In a 3bet pot you shouldn't really be folding 2p on the flop ever so yes, I am calling a raise with the smaller cbet.

This...

The fact that you have been very aggro lately makes it even more of a call.