NL25: JJ in blind battle.

[ThatDeviant]

Villain was 15/13 with a 3bet of 6%, although mxrider might have more of a read as I hadn't been at the table that long. I'd tried stealing his blinds a few times before and he'd folded to both, which is why I didn't raise 4x - figured he might be trying to play back as he didn't seem a bad player. Wasn't overly tight either so idk.

Not a fan of flatting JJ OOP for obvious reasons, and I hate 4bet folding, so I'm not sure what the best line was here.

Full Tilt $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 796
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Hero (SB): $35.75
BB: $26.10
UTG: $42.65
CO: $25.35
BTN: $81.95

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with J J
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $6.75, BB raises to $26.10, Hero..

[Richy47]

Never ever 4bet without a plan....... with a hand as strong as JJ if you aren't comfortable calling a shove why are you 4betting?? You might as well have 72o here if you fold as you will have turned your hand into a bluff. Just call the 3bet if you aren't willing to call a shove............

As played I puke and call

[ThatDeviant]

Well the plan was to call a shove, which I did, I just don't know if the plan was that sound in the first place.

[Richy47]

Generally at 25nl I wouldn't be feeling too good about getting JJ AIPF against an unknown. Really depends on table dynamics, if you felt he was playing back lighter because you had stolen from him a few times previously and there was a history of 3betting between the 2 of you then I think your line is fine.

[given1982]

It's pretty marginal without 3betting and 4betting history, but it's bvb, so I don't hate it. I probably flat and check/shove a lot of flops.

[juvydriver]

JJ is probably my least favorite hand for this exact reason. I probably would have just called the 3bet and re-evaluated on the flop...which sucks OOP. I wouldn't expect a 15/13 guy to make this move without a hand though. I think best case is you are up against AK and racing.

[ThatDeviant]

I'd rather fold than call OOP, might sound silly but thats how I feel.

[Richy47]

It's very weak/tight to fold JJ to a 3bet just because you are OOP. Against someone with a 6% 3bet their 3betting range isn't entirely weighted towards hands that have you crushed, plus you have a hand good enough to make moves on a lot of flops

[given1982]

Originally Posted by ThatDeviant

I'd rather fold than call OOP, might sound silly but thats how I feel.

If his range is TT+, AQ+, then on low flops, more than half his range can't stand a raise but will probably cbet. Also, you can hit a set or have him notched.

If you're uncomfortable with 4betting (which requires auto-stacking off), flatting is an alternative that lets you have more control over when you're stacking off while not wasting JJ's value.

Saying that folding > calling does sound silly if you really think it's close to being an AIPF spot.

[richyl]

As played you have to call, its bvb and the overlay and all that good stuff. Like given mentioned calling and check shoving some flops, works well against the AK part of his range