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Old 01-08-2009, 05:39 PM
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Default 25nl AP - maximising value with set

I tried pasting this in the HH replayer but says unsupported poker site...

Stage #1194075071: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2009-01-08 16:27:44 (ET)
Table: NIGHTENGALE AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - MONTENEGRO008 ($26.56 in chips)
Seat 6 - BUST_IT_OUT ($25.27 in chips)
Seat 3 - KIDDCHECKERS ($32.72 in chips)
Seat 4 - BIGJ99678 ($51.97 in chips)
BUST_IT_OUT - Posts small blind $0.10
KIDDCHECKERS - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BUST_IT_OUT [8c 8d]
BIGJ99678 - Raises $0.85 to $0.85
MONTENEGRO008 - Folds
BUST_IT_OUT - Calls $0.75
KIDDCHECKERS - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd 8s 7d]
BUST_IT_OUT - Checks
BIGJ99678 - Bets $1.50
BUST_IT_OUT - Calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Jd 8s 7d] [6h]
BUST_IT_OUT - Checks
BIGJ99678 - Bets $3.75
BUST_IT_OUT - Raises $9.85 to $9.85
BIGJ99678 - Folds
BUST_IT_OUT - returned ($6.10) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BUST_IT_OUT - Does not show
BUST_IT_OUT Collects $11.85 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($12.45) | Rake ($0.60)
Board [Jd 8s 7d 6h]
Seat 3: KIDDCHECKERS (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: BIGJ99678 Folded on the TURN
Seat 5: MONTENEGRO008 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: BUST_IT_OUT (small blind) collected Total ($11.85) HI$11.85) [Does not show]

villian was 26/26/15 over ~100 hands

Looking back on this, I'm thinking I should have called his turn and let him fire again on the river...
Thoughts?
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:56 PM
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3bet preflop. C/r the flop. Flatting the turn would have been horrible, but probably not as bad as flatting the flop was.
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:03 PM
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3bet preflop. C/r the flop. Flatting the turn would have been horrible, but probably not as bad as flatting the flop was.
This....

On such a drawy board you should c/r the flop. Saying you should flat the turn is being results orientated and won't win you more money in the long run.
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:47 PM
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This guy is pretty aggro (I have him as 22/20 with 13% 3bet over ~500 hands), so taking a passive line isn't horrible... but that doesn't make it the best line for value.

Considering the wetness of the flop I actually would rather c/r immediately. The turn c/r is basically always a big hand, and this guy seems like a competent enough player to realize that one pair is no good when you c/r the turn.

Another thing that sticks out about BIGJ is that he almost never goes to showdown. In all the $25nl hands I have on him he's gone to showdown ONE time. These are mostly datamined, but on Cereus you can see mucked cards in the HH even as an observer. I'm not sure what adjustment I'd make because of that, but it's definitely odd.

There's also a strong argument for just donking into him on the flop. Aggressive players will often raise a donk bet on the flop. It's just not a play that I make enough that I'd know what to do on later streets should he raise us.
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:42 PM
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If he is really that aggro, a complete passiv line is fine for me, but the standart and "save play" would be a c/r on the flop.
3betting pre would be an option, too
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:59 PM
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On this flop i think we need to take a more aggressive line, but if the flop was say A82 i would take ur line.
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