mass multitable table winrate at 50NL

[Biscuits100]

Whats a sustainable winrate when playing 15 tables or more at 50NL? Just started to do this at cake and going well so far but not played enough to know. Can you still beat the game for 5/ptbb playing that many tables? If not whats the highest sustainable winrate for playing this many tables?
Thanks

[Hornstar]

I am not so sure it would be. You can only reallly play fit or fold poker + cbets whilst playing this many tables and so surely you will be a mega nit and that is going to be noticed by all the TAGs and possibly some of the fish. I would have thought that would reduce your winrate quite a bit.

The thing is you would probably be playing 4 times as many tables (thus hands) as someone playing a TAG style for 5-8ptbb and thus you only need to be beating the game for 2.5ptbb to be making more money. I can't give you a difinitive answer but I would guess that the absolute maximum, playing 15 tables, would be about 5ptbb but most likely less.

What are your stats whlist playing this many tables? You must be a nit?

[chinz]

Originally Posted by Hornstar

I am not so sure it would be. You can only reallly play fit or fold poker + cbets whilst playing this many tables and so surely you will be a mega nit and that is going to be noticed by all the TAGs and possibly some of the fish. I would have thought that would reduce your winrate quite a bit.

The thing is you would probably be playing 4 times as many tables (thus hands) as someone playing a TAG style for 5-8ptbb and thus you only need to be beating the game for 2.5ptbb to be making more money. I can't give you a difinitive answer but I would guess that the absolute maximum, playing 15 tables, would be about 5ptbb but most likely less.

What are your stats whlist playing this many tables? You must be a nit?

People are really overestimating the effect that playing multible tables make to one's game....

I am myself playing around 20/18 when I 12-table, and as many of you know (by the hands I've posted) I'm a big fan of making hero calls with ace high or something like third pair... So not exactly fit or fold. I also know a guy (my friend) playing 9+ tables of NL100 with VPIP almost 30 (something like 27-29) and winning.

Playing multible tables does NOT mean you have to play nit and/or you can't make reads. I don't really know about 15 tables, but I doubt it makes too much a difference to 12 tables...

If I played just "basic ABC" with NEVER getting out of the line and playing very weaktight (Trik31 video style) I could probably play 20 tables and break even or even slightly win. And without a doubt some people could play even more.

WCGRider played 24 FR tables for way over 10 hours a day in his NL25 challenge (search in 2+2 if interested), and for the first days (before he had those sleeping problems) he was making a very good profit by doing it. And there is some players playing midstakes 6max with 16 or more tables, 2+2 once had a thread about them.

And yesterday Durrrr was 4-tabling heads up against Patrik Antonius and playing 2 tables of shorthanded 100k HA at the same time... Do you really thing someone would play 2 different games in two different (nosebleed) stakes with variable table sizes, if it really would hurt their winrate?


To the original question: I think something like 5ptbb/100 with 15 tables is awesome, but still doable. Anyone able to do it should probably move up anyway... Something like 2-3 would seem more likely number for a NL50 reg.

[Total Sweetheart]

Never been clear on what is meant by BB/100 hands... what is a BB?


1BB = 1 big blind? or 2 big blinds?

Also just curious about how many hands you're getting in per hour. Say you are playing 10 tables at a time, is there a rough estimate of how many hands per hour is average at 6 handed?

Thanks.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by Total Sweetheart

Never been clear on what is meant by BB/100 hands... what is a BB?

1BB = 1 big blind? or 2 big blinds?

Also just curious about how many hands you're getting in per hour. Say you are playing 10 tables at a time, is there a rough estimate of how many hands per hour is average at 6 handed?

BB can mean both big blind or big bet (2x big blind) so using that might get a little confusing. Ptbb refers to "pokertracker bb" meaning big bet, ie. 2 big blinds. So if you are winning 5ptbb/100 you are winning 10 big blinds in 100 hands.

10 tables equals around 800 hands an hour on iPoker (no timebank). On some sites, with long timebanks, it might be equal slightly less.

[Hornstar]

Originally Posted by chinz

People are really overestimating the effect that playing multible tables make to one's game....

I am myself playing around 20/18 when I 12-table, and as many of you know (by the hands I've posted) I'm a big fan of making hero calls with ace high or something like third pair... So not exactly fit or fold. I also know a guy (my friend) playing 9+ tables of NL100 with VPIP almost 30 (something like 27-29) and winning.

Playing multible tables does NOT mean you have to play nit and/or you can't make reads. I don't really know about 15 tables, but I doubt it makes too much a difference to 12 tables...

If I played just "basic ABC" with NEVER getting out of the line and playing very weaktight (Trik31 video style) I could probably play 20 tables and break even or even slightly win. And without a doubt some people could play even more.

WCGRider played 24 FR tables for way over 10 hours a day in his NL25 challenge (search in 2+2 if interested), and for the first days (before he had those sleeping problems) he was making a very good profit by doing it. And there is some players playing midstakes 6max with 16 or more tables, 2+2 once had a thread about them.

And yesterday Durrrr was 4-tabling heads up against Patrik Antonius and playing 2 tables of shorthanded 100k HA at the same time... Do you really thing someone would play 2 different games in two different (nosebleed) stakes with variable table sizes, if it really would hurt their winrate?


To the original question: I think something like 5ptbb/100 with 15 tables is awesome, but still doable. Anyone able to do it should probably move up anyway... Something like 2-3 would seem more likely number for a NL50 reg.

Before I go on I would like to say that I have not played more than 6 tables and so what I said above and now are only opinions. When I went from 4 tables to 6, personally, I could not cope with making reads and making the right plays and thats probably the basis of my opinion.

I would assume that playing 8+ tables, 6-max, creates decisions every few seconds or something. How are you able to get reads, play out tough hands, and make accurate decisions with so much happening?

I am not saying that 5ptbb at 50NL playing 15 tables is not possible. I just think it would be very hard and I would think the player would need to have been able to beat the limit at a much higher winrate when playing 4-6 tables. What abilities would you say is required to be able to play such a large amount of tables and play a solid game?

[postoakpoker]

you have to have an extremely solid understanding of the fundamentals for beating that limit so that your robotic moves are also profitable ones, as seen over a large sample size. you should also be good about going over the hand quickly in your head and analyzing ranges & to see if their lines make sense with what villains are repping or how to best exploit your hand vs their range. basically you have to be able to multitask well

[Biscuits100]

Originally Posted by Hornstar

What are your stats whlist playing this many tables? You must be a nit?

Dont keep stats cos I play on cake. I play tight but I wouldn't say nit, I feel I'm playing my normal game just at a faster rate and less reads. I'll just keep going and see if I can keep it up long term but I'm definately making a ton more on rakeback.

[dansiek]

durr plays loads of different tables becoz he is sick good.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by Hornstar

I would assume that playing 8+ tables, 6-max, creates decisions every few seconds or something. How are you able to get reads, play out tough hands, and make accurate decisions with so much happening?

Not really... If you call "what to do with 7Jo in early position?" a decision, then you maybe get a decision once in a 5 seconds or something when playing 10 tables... But 90% of the situations should really be automatic anyway, at least in these stakes. Most of the hands are easy bet or fold preflop, you are cbetting every dry flop when HU, unless your opponent has terribly low foldtocbet-% etc...

Even if you are playing really LAG and trying to overrun your opponents, something like 1/3 AT MOST of all your "decisions" require thinking more than 1 second, as most of the hands never see flop or the first bettor on the flop wins.