25NL 3Bet pot horrible board

[nuvan]

Party Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 54119
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UTG+1: $4.65
MP: $33.07
CO: $82.56
BTN: $4.80
Hero (SB): $25.47
BB: $26.11
UTG: $8.88

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with K :heart: A :club:
2 folds, MP raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, MP calls $2.15

Flop: ($6.25) J :heart: Q :spade: K :spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($13.25) 5 :club: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $9.50, Hero folds


Villain is 28/21/3 with show down stats of 9/100 over 40 hands i already had some 3 betting history with him where i had 3 bet him 2/3 times already, sp i figured his range was alot wider then normal.

This board is extremely wet so i thought that if i bet i would easily be able to be blown off my hand if raised as there are many hands in his range which crush me and if not he has position on me for the rest of the hand and can flat in position then bet on so many turn cards. So i took a more passive line to C/c and re-evaluate the turn to see if any draws miss and the bet sizing he uses.
I thought this line was better to go a pot control line as c-betting this board was basically turning my hand into a bluff i found any hand which i beat will fold (AQ AJ JT perhaps) all better will most likely raise and even hands with equity can call and play a pot in position all situations which leave me in a shitty spot for the flop/turn as there are many cards which will be scare cards on the turn and i would have to c/f a medium pot.
Anyone advocate a check/fold for all those reasons mentioned? Although it is weak tight your already playing a medium pot with a marginal hand on a extremely wet board verse a annoyed player all seems to point to a situation you should get out of.

If he checks behind his marginal hands i can easily bet the turn for value and protection on blanks.

By check/calling i figured that i could easily check fold the turn if faced with any more action as on the turn it really turned into a shove or fold situation because the pot becomes 120BB with 36 BB behind. And for him to bet the flop and turn with this board was at least a 2 pair hand,
as any TP type or draw would most likely check this turn so i thought shoving here would basically fold out a tiny part of his range which may be semi bluffing (he didn't seem tilty) and get called by a huge part of his range which is way ahead. Hence, a C/f seemed correct.

Well that was my thought process on it any thoughts would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Nuvan.
P.s. wasn't supposed to be this long cheers for reading

[postoakpoker]

cbet the flop, it will make this hand much easier to play. no reason to play so passively in a 3bet pot when you're the aggressor. that flop does hit a lot of his range hard but I think c/c the flop & c/f the turn is pretty bad. just cbet and see what happens.

[ThatDeviant]

I bet fold the flop, probably c/c a blank turn.

[Eldrone]

Yeah, just Bet/Fold flop.
Makes your hand easier to play, by checkcalling you never know where you are in the hand.

[no eff eks]

Are you guy's serious? I'm absolutely always going broke with this hand on this board unless the villain is a known nit (which it doesn't sound like he is).

The only reason to check the flop is to c/r, but I'd rather bet/shove than try to c/r.

We've got TPTK with a gutshot to broadway in a 3bet pot against an aggro player you guys want to fold???

No, just, no.

[ThatDeviant]

Originally Posted by no eff eks

Are you guy's serious? I'm absolutely always going broke with this hand on this board unless the villain is a known nit (which it doesn't sound like he is).

The only reason to check the flop is to c/r, but I'd rather bet/shove than try to c/r.

We've got TPTK with a gutshot to broadway and in a 3bet pot against an aggro player you guys want to fold???

No, just, no.

You need to think more about the range that he called our 3bet with.

Going broke here is a major leak.

[nuvan]

i don't understand how we can bet fold though basically nothing he called preflop with will fold as i see it besides say AQ AJ perhaps and even that will have some equity so basically where putting in alot of money OOP with a marginal hand, i guess if we put same amount in the pot just we gather some info on his hand as all better will raise most likely and all worse will fold?

[nuvan]

yeah i doubt i'll shove that in with such a horrible flop only better will call unless hes a fish and thinks KQ is the nuts which he didn't seem like.

[ThatDeviant]

Originally Posted by nuvan

i don't understand how we can bet fold though basically nothing he called preflop with will fold as i see it besides say AQ AJ perhaps and even that will have some equity so basically where putting in alot of money OOP with a marginal hand, i guess if we put same amount in the pot just we gather some info on his hand as all better will raise most likely and all worse will fold?

Theres a possibility he called PF w/ a hand like 99 or 88, but on a board like this checking to let them bet isn't good because you're OOP on future streets and still have no idea about his hand strength.

edit: KQ beats us.

[nuvan]

oh crap your right apologies sir