50NL - fold bottom set ?

[AdrienD]

Button is 22/9 1.2AF and hasnt played any big pots yet (100 hands)
SB is multitabling regular nit, usually plays 8+ tables at 17/11/2AF (~300 hands)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($52.30)
Button ($50)
SB ($50.25)
BB ($60.90)
Hero (UTG) ($56.25)
MP ($181.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2:club:, 2:heart:
Hero bets $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.50) 2:spade:, 3:club:, 9:heart: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($6.50) K:club: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $4, SB raises to $10, Hero raises to $25, Button raises to $47, SB raises to $48.25 (All-In), Hero ??

(PS: can't get HH replayer to work, whenever I click to submit my hand it doesn't do anything.)

[given1982]

No. And bet the flop.

[zayphod]

dont fold.

why slow play the set on the flop? you effectively let the backdoor flush get closer and you let the str8 draw get a card for free. Without confirming it I am sure that you have at least one of them now has the odds to draw on the turn after all the action.

[no eff eks]

Originally Posted by given1982

No. And bet the flop.

Definitely... this isn't Omaha -- there is no place for folding sets on dry boards like this in NLHE.

Checking the flop is pretty bad because you need to balance your range a bit for when you bet hands like AK that have obviously whiffed... also you want to be able to get stacks in by the river and that'll be impossible if you check the flop unless it's a cooler situation (which this obviously turned out to be).

[AdrienD]

I checked flop because I'm always checking my missed overcards here and betting shows alot of strenght, I think checking flop is best play so I can get the guy behind me to bet his small/mid PP or SC, the tight nit call with his small/mid PP or make a move with SC and then I can raise. 33-TT and suited connectors are big part of their ranges, SC are going to fold if I bet most of the time and if I bet flop I have to bet turn even if J+ comes and that will just scare them away most likely.
On the turn I think by raising I can rep AK and I wanted to protect my hand against draws cause if I call BU has good price. But now that I think about it a call would make alot more sense b/c if I raise I only get action (from the nit) if I'm beat and drawing dead or he is going crazy with QcJc, JcTc, 5c4c (pretty unlikely)
after my raise the BU shoves I think this is FlushDraw/K9/99/AK/AA/KQ/KJ/33 and when the nit instantly overshoves without thinking is (QcJc, JcTc, 5c4c),99,33 and thats it, this guy wouldnt just flat with AK from SB or any big PP so his range is a few combodraws and hands that beat me, hes never instashipping a naked FD IMO.
It's just a questing if I was getting the right price and how often he instaovershoves combodraws.

maybe I shouldnt care about looking strong here and just bet flop as you guys said, villains are probably a) not paying enough attention or b) not even thinking about my range well enough

thanks for responses

[AdrienD]

pokerstoved a bit:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.452% 23.45% 00.00% 3349 0.00 { 2c2h }
Hand 1: 08.775% 08.77% 00.00% 1253 0.00 { AA, 99, 33, AKs, Ac9c, Ac5c, Ac4c, KQs, K9s, AKo, KQo }
Hand 2: 67.773% 67.77% 00.00% 9678 0.00 { 99, 33, QcJc, JcTc, 5c4c }

and I got 4 to 1 (25 for 127 or ~19.5%) on my money so its close but I have to call BUT if I remove only 1 combo from the nits range its 0 to -EV:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 18.715% 18.72% 00.00% 2366 0.00 { 2c2h }
Hand 1: 08.472% 08.47% 00.00% 1071 0.00 { AA, 99, 33, AKs, Ac9c, Ac5c, Ac4c, KQs, K9s, AKo, KQo }
Hand 2: 72.813% 72.81% 00.00% 9205 0.00 { 99, 33, QcJc, JcTc }

[ThatDeviant]

Originally Posted by AdrienD

I checked flop because I'm always checking my missed overcards here

I wouldn't worry about balancing your flop checking range at 50nl.

[Eldrone]

Never get fancy agaisnt 2 opponents on the flop.

I guess u were facing 33/99 and AK.

However, dont fold.

[no eff eks]

Originally Posted by AdrienD

I checked flop because I'm always checking my missed overcards here

You shouldn't be checking missed overcards on this flop against just two opponents.

[AdrienD]

Originally Posted by no eff eks

You shouldn't be checking missed overcards on this flop against just two opponents.

I can only get them to fold a small part of their range and I can't get value from worse hands, so please explain why I should be betting this flop out of position. (In position when checked to I would bet ofcours cause then I can decide what to do on the turn when called after they act.)