25NL stars line check

[lowkey]

no reads on opponent, apart from sensing huge weakness/noobness with the button limp, and he just saw me lose a roughly 9 dollar pot set over set and yeah...just started 25nl so i've been buying in a bit short to keep a nice comfort zone.

Note: I probably would have never played the hand in the first place if I had notice the offsuit, but I guess that happens sometimes.

Any thoughts as to ways to improve the play?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($24.90)
MP ($19.30)
CO ($27.60)
Button ($19.25)
Hero (SB) ($11.90)
BB ($34.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 5
3 folds, Button calls $0.25, Hero bets $0.75, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.75) 10, K, J (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, Button calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.25) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button raises to $4, Hero calls $2

River: ($12.25) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6.25, Hero calls $5.90 (All-In)

Total pot: $24.05 | Rake: $1.15

[LongDonkSilver]

if you raise in this spot, you gotta raise higher. I would make it to 1.25 maybe to 1.5 as you play the hand oop.

as played, I wouldn´t c-bet this drawy flop. the board hits him very often and as you are so short, he won´t fold any top pair, two pair combos, OESD, FDs

[AdrienD]

raise bigger preflop OOP, this bloats up the pot with what is likely the best hand and negates your positional disadvantage cause it will make later street decisions easier (he probably can't check/raise allin on river cause you will probably have < than potsized bet left on river, etc.).
cbet on flop is fine cause his limp calling range on the button is alot of low suited and offsuit junk and small pairs (but also weak broadways ofc.)
Once he calls the flop though I think it's a check/fold, cause he isn't folding any pair or draw at this point and you are OOP so it will be hard to control the pot and you don't want to lose a boatload just to find out wether your 5s are good here. (ie. Reverse implied odds)

[lowkey]

Originally Posted by AdrienD

Once he calls the flop though I think it's a check/fold, cause he isn't folding any pair or draw at this point and you are OOP so it will be hard to control the pot and you don't want to lose a boatload just to find out wether your 5s are good here. (ie. Reverse implied odds)

I thought the same thing on the Turn actually and planned to CF the river, but the minraise screamed busted draw to me. I figured if he had a decent made hand I'd be reraised huge here to take down the pot. Am I giving my opponent too much credit for 2nd/3rd level thinking here?

As to why i bet the turn, in retrospect that was a mistake, and given the situation its possible I could have controlled the pot size a bit better.

[given1982]

Fold preflop; c/f the turn; c/f the river.

[ThatDeviant]

fold pre, flop is fine, check/fold turn

as played raise more pre, fold river

[lowkey]

I am confused as to why we CF the turn?
If he has a low end PP OESD or FD we are coinflipping at worst.

If he has a set I don't see why he'd bet this way unless it was KK slowplayed

Even when we add the slowplayed monsters to his range we're only a 45/65 dog against the range, less really considering the play.

I didn't add the Krag and Jrag stuff to his range, since I don't typically assume players are total morons until they prove me wrong (leak?)

I also figured he thought i had Axh and was trying to bluff out a busted draw myself (somewhat true), so at the least my 5s had a tad bit of showdown value, albeit very slim

What is wrong with this line of thinking? It really confused me at the time


Spoiler alert btw: Don't read w/o thinking about the question

highlight:

He had 8s 9h for the OESD. Resultswise I'm glad he had that, but I'm still concerned I'm getting a little too deep with my thinking vs your average micro player

[Qgel]

We C/fold the turn because generally no hand that called on that flop is gonna fold on that turn. So there's no point in betting (bluffing) when our oponents almost never fold.
You say we're not in horrible shape against draws, which is true, but you don't take into consideration that villain has 2 cards instead of one. So for example, while he might be on a straight draw, he could easily already have a pair to go with it and have us beat (QK, QJ, QT) in which case we're drawing to exactly 2 outs. Not in such a great shape anymore, huh ?

[lowkey]

Originally Posted by Qgel

We C/fold the turn because generally no hand that called on that flop is gonna fold on that turn. So there's no point in betting (bluffing) when our oponents almost never fold.
You say we're not in horrible shape against draws, which is true, but you don't take into consideration that villain has 2 cards instead of one. So for example, while he might be on a straight draw, he could easily already have a pair to go with it and have us beat (QK, QJ, QT) in which case we're drawing to exactly 2 outs. Not in such a great shape anymore, huh ?

Thats what confuses me...when I add those hands (all pairs and pair cards to the board like Q9 and whatnot) into his range in pokerstove, I only lose about 5% equity, and the few hands I had seen him play prior he didn't take that line with made hands. Granted, he'd only been at the table for about 20 hands and 2 or 3 showdowns...cant remember offhand

This is why I'm in law school and not an engineer....math tilts me