min 3bet

[Yarin]

21/16 guy check raises me and I min 3bet. Bad play???

I was never gonna throw this hand away so I wanted him to think he could still push/bluff me away with flush/straight draws...
I think that if I would have pushed his check raise he would fold his flushdraws (what I dont want) and by playing it like this not.

Any comments/suggestions on my play ?

[Total Sweetheart]

Just curious, what site are you at?

First off, I raise bigger pre from UTG.

Secondly ... since his stack is smallish and he went all in anyway it didn't change the outcome of this particular hand, but regardless of stack size in this spot I would definitely raise more on the flop, at least 3x his bet. Charge draws, weaker pairs, etc as much as you can.

And let's just say hypothetically, if you are both deep stacked, and you min raise that spot, what does it do for you? If he's drawing it prices him in for cheap and gives you less value, and if you're already beat it doesn't really give you any solid info.

Min raise is just never really a good choice IMO.

[couriermike]

I think microstakes players base their decisions more on how much they like their hand than anything else, so betting bigger is always a good idea when you think you're ahead. Min-bets and min-raises just lose money those times villain wants to come along. But other than that, I think you played it fine. Your opponent played horribly, stacking off with 36% equity, but it was a great situation for you. Villain was just lucky this time.

[given1982]

It's not that bad, but it would have been better to just shove.

[chinz]

You can't really assume that anyone would think they have any folding equity at all when you have something like $5 left, you'd have to call with any overcards there...

So you should rather call (to induce bluff/draw to bet again and keep weak Qx hands in) and shove the turn or simply 3bet-shove the flop.

I would rather call and shove the turn, since 3bet shoving might get weaker TP or even a draw to fold. But there's just no idea to min-3bet, because you CAN'T fold after that so you might as well shove.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by couriermike

Your opponent played horribly, stacking off with 36% equity, but it was a great situation for you. Villain was just lucky this time.

His preflop call was pretty spewy, but other than that he played it well. Check-raising a cbet with flush draw is easily +EV move (with folding equity) and after check-raising he had the odds to call it off as he was a little shortstacked.

I would have played villain's hand exactly the same way (except preflop).

He had flush draw, overcard and a backdoor straight draw.

[ThatDeviant]

Originally Posted by chinz

His preflop call was pretty spewy, but other than that he played it well. Check-raising a cbet with flush draw is easily +EV move (with folding equity)

His c/r sizing was awful. He had no fold equity.

[TheDeKay]

Just shove here... I don't like to get in min-reraise wars on sooo wet boards. We are quite happy to fold an Ahigh flushdraw or some kind of pair+straight combo... and I don't want him to call and push every scare card + he might get scared with some hands we beat if a scare card hits.

Originally Posted by couriermike

Your opponent played horribly, stacking off with 36% equity, but it was a great situation for you.

Board: Qs Th 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.778% 57.78% 00.00% 572 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 42.222% 42.22% 00.00% 418 0.00 { Ah5h }

[chinz]

Originally Posted by ThatDeviant

His c/r sizing was awful. He had no fold equity.

Yes, he probably should have bet around $7-8, just to make clear that he is pot committed (so Hero has no more folding equity for his 3bet). It would also give him a lot more folding equity, of course.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by Total Sweetheart

Min raise is just never really a good choice IMO.

If you have weakish two pair on the river and the board is scary, you might want to minraise and fold to further action. The same thing if someone blockers the river and you have two pair or set, you probably won't get him to pay "normal" raise, but he has to call minraise with almost anything he makes a blocker with.

I wouldn't say minraise is always bad... but in this case it was.