NL10: QQ line on KKxxx board

[vissuuh]

Only had like 20 hands from button at the time (14/13/2-3 iirc).
So would you have played it differently? lead turn etc?
As played call or fold river?
Thanks

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($12.90)
Hero (UTG) ($10)
MP ($20.70)
Button ($11.55)
SB ($13.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, Button raises to $1.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($2.95) 6, K, K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($2.95) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

River: ($6.55) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3.35

Total pot: $6.55

[no eff eks]

I like your line if you fold the river.

[200b]

Originally Posted by vissuuh

So would you have played it differently? lead turn etc?

At least I'd bet turn, probably already the flop (half pot). I could call a small raise somewhere. But if it gets expensive I'd put button on a king.

I don't feel very familiar with the line you've taken. It's very passive. Maybe someone could argue that passiveness is good in this hand? Usually it's thought that agression is the way to go. A problem with this passive line is that you have a hard time guessing if who have the best hand on the river. In my play, button betting both turn&river means a fold. It also mean, not giving a free card. When the flop is checked, a way of viewing it, is that the pot is your. So if button not have slowplayed trips of kings, AA or trips of sixes, he will give the pot to you, or is less likely to bluff the river.

When not betting the flop, I think you are too afraid of villain having AA, AK, KK, or 66. But it's as likely that he have QQ, JJ, TT, AQ, AJ etc. So I guess it's more probable than not that he will fold to a flop bet. Card reduction should also mean that the number of AK's are smaller than usual.

[Aji89]

Originally Posted by 200b

At least I'd bet turn, probably already the flop (half pot). I could call a small raise somewhere. But if it gets expensive I'd put button on a king.

I have to disagree with this. Donking the flop would be pretty bad since we're not gonna get much value from worse hands and will just be value towning ourselves against KK+ and AK.

His check behind on the flop is kinda scary and we should be trying to get to showdown as cheaply as possibly.

Honestly I think c/c turn, c/f river is by far the best line since he's almost never betting worse hands on the river.

[AdrienD]

I would 4b/f preflop being OOP against a nit. You won't get much value from worse hands anyway postflop unless flop comes <10 high and he has JJ (if he even 3bets that).

I think as played the flop was fine, but turn and river I only like if he is capable of double/tripple barrel bluffing or valuebetting JJ/TT but you need reads for that.
So I like bet/fold turn & river (1/2-2/3 pot), this way we get value from JJ/TT/(99) and AcJc/AcQc and don't get valuetowned all that often b/c he is (almost) never bluffraising and he HAS to raise a K for value at some point.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by AdrienD

I would 4b/f preflop being OOP against a nit. You won't get much value from worse hands anyway postflop unless flop comes <10 high and he has JJ (if he even 3bets that).

I think as played the flop was fine, but turn and river I only like if he is capable of double/tripple barrel bluffing or valuebetting JJ/TT but you need reads for that.
So I like bet/fold turn & river (1/2-2/3 pot), this way we get value from JJ/TT/(99) and AcJc/AcQc and don't get valuetowned all that often b/c he is (almost) never bluffraising and he HAS to raise a K for value at some point.

4bet/folding QQ (100bb deep) is awful. Please no one ever do this.

[couriermike]

I like c/c turn and c/f river, too. Since he 3-bet preflop, alot of his holdings include a K. The only worse hands he could have are 99-JJ and maybe AQ. 99-JJ want to get to showdown cheap just like you and don't bet twice postflop. Since alot of players (wrongly) check trips on the flop, he has to think you might have it if he doesn't. For that reason, he doesn't bet AQ twice either. If your opponent is truly some calculating genius, he might interpret your turn call (as opposed to a raise) as weakness and bluff again on the river, but no, the 14/13/2 taggy guy has it. The river bet sizing especially says value bet.

I also like how you checked the flop because you will get a bet on the turn from hands like TT. Betting the flop is basically a bluff and only value-towns ourselves when opponent does have trips without getting any worse hands to come along.

Also, just my personal opinion, but I think it's fine to 4-bet/shove QQ, especially oop.