Why is Cake $20NL hard?

[mojo6911]

It seems like every table has 3-4 nitty regs and 1-2 half stacked fish. It leaves me getting in big pots setup to lose and only winning small pots against fish. I can't table select as there are only 10-20 tables at a given time and they are all full of multitabling nits.

Yeah, you can exploit these guys, but not for any sizable profit.

[ShoveOrFold]

20nl on cake isn't really hard. All the regulars play so predictably its really easy to make a profit off them if you just make reads. Sure, its a little bit more difficult than before when all you had to do was raise in later position with strong-premium hands, cbet 80% of flops, and fold if you missed and get any resistance, while you keep on betting when you hit.

You can't expect to play robotically and still beat these games with everyone else playing this nitty style. Mix things up, make reads, and don't be afraid to make a mistake. People these days at 20nl and 25nl try to play TOO perfectly by playing strictly ABC poker. Sure its profitable, but making reads on regulars will allow you to 3bet light, double barrel them, cbet them, and basically put them in spots that you wouldn't want to be in. These are the reads you should be making and implementing. But its important to know which villains are thinking on this level. This level is when reading opponents gets more important, and its not just about your cards and board texture any more.

[mojo6911]

This week I have put in 30 hours of play. I will start playing at 8AM and play off and on until 6PM. (I am a flight instructor and when the weather is bad, I don't fly. Weather has been crappy this week).

Lets take your example:

You notice the same reg raising late position. .70c You 3-bet him light in position to 2.20 and he calls. He bets pot, $4.70. It is your turn to act. So what is the play here? Any sizeable raise is putting you all in with nothing. You stand to lose your entire stack on a stone cold bluff with air, to win his original .70c. So the obvious move is to fold. You will need a good hand to continue, right?

What I am getting at is that this move isn't very profitable in the long run since you are risking so much to win so little. Combine this with the seemingly endless set over sets, 1 outers, and the lack of fish, I am finding it hard to beat. I watched this video:

http://www.pokertrikz.com/videos/62-...for-Beginners/

And my sessions seem to go just like his. Missed draws, get half a stack from a fish, and then lose the profit in suckouts with the big stacked nits. You don't really get it in against the nits for stacks too often as a big favorite.

Anyways, since I am down to 19 from 25 buy ins, I am dropping to $4NL. I seriously hope it isn't like $20NL, or I will just go back to Stars and forget about the bonus and rakeback.

[speedlingz]

lol i think i might have seen u around mojo

[mojo6911]

More than likely, as I use the same name. I have tried switching up my play. I have played 1-2 tables, 2-4 tables, and up to 10 tables. I seem to play better at 10 tables, but I got tilted today.

You have any notes on me you wish to share?

[speedlingz]

i dont think i played u that long so i don't have any notes on u

[Billy]

I would suggest u to 10 table. I noticed the same thing with the regs, and really dont try to get value out ofem except with your AA KK AK type hands.
Good thing is when u 10table ull get more of these hands. And ull play a tighter game, at least I did.
Dont get fancy, just open pot when u got position and pot+2bb when oop or 3betting oop.
And switch table if u are sitting only with regs, thats not good, too less EV since most ofem are tag player too and at 20NL enough other fish around

most of the time cbet and make sure u cbet big enough if board is draw heavy.
No shame to not cbet a total missed flop, safe that money and go on to the next hand.

I played with u some 100 hands and I had the feeling u are really super tight. Guess u already watched some 20NL vids by trikkur or loltrickedu but cant be bad to watch one or two again, it always helps me to get back on the way.

U switch from 20NL to 4NL??? what about 10NL?

gl

[couriermike]

Alot of the abc tags give up after their c-bet if they don't hit the flop hard. Think about which board textures really miss their opening range. By picking good boards to fire at, low and raggedy, paired, monochrome etc, you can steal quite a few medium-sized pots from these nitty guys with a 1/2-pot bet on later streets, like when you're in position and they've checked to you. These pots can really add up. The thing to watch out for with the nitty tags is the big pots. They live for big hands and play them hard, so you want the near-nuts to get ai with them, a set's always good of course, but two pair probably isn't. Also, steal the blinds alot more with tags in the blinds, usually they'll just give it to you, and when they call, they'll probably have a pocket pair and c/f the flop.

These half-stacks can be very profitable and they will stack off alot lighter than the tags. Two pair often is good against them, even with three bets going in postflop. Just keep isolating them in position and forcing them to play fit-or-fold, but recognize when they do hit. If they've been l/c'ing and folding to flop bets, then suddenly they call the flop, it's time to slow up. Don't barrel them.

Hope that helps. If you play this way, you can gradually chip up even without hitting any big hands. The point is to use position to make them play fit-or-fold so you get more than your share of the pots nobody's really won.

[wolfie2nd]

Cake 20nl is not hard. I played underolled with about $250 and ran it up to $1200 in 20k hands. I found that the 50nl gave was far to nitty for me so I have moved to ub to play 50nl and clear a new bonus.

[quadfive]

Originally Posted by wolfie2nd

Cake 20nl is not hard. I played underolled with about $250 and ran it up to $1200 in 20k hands. I found that the 50nl gave was far to nitty for me so I have moved to ub to play 50nl and clear a new bonus.

didn't you just post how after running it up to 1200, you went busto?