Should I adjust my PFR range with multiple limpers at the nano's?

[shawzee]

Hey all, so I play 6 max 5NL and winning at a good rate but obviously I wanna move up as quick a possible. And I was wondering what peoples views on this were.

Should I tighten up my PFR range for 2-3 limpers or loosen up?

Say if it is folded to me on the BTN with QJo, it would be a standard raise, but say there are multiple limpers I am tempted to fold this as I don't like over limping this hand (I only limp small PPs and suited aces) and if I raise I often get many callers seeing as though it is the nano's, and this hand doesn't play so well multiway or at least I don't play it so well!

I dunno, I was just hoping for some advice on these type of marginal hands, should I just raise - standard c-bet - give up on it if called or raised? Will this increase my winrate?

Thanks for any help

[Spinage]

thats interesting actually, I'm sure someone will come and give a definite answer soon, but ive never even thought about it.

Generally, I just fold it with limpers, but really, with all the dead money and weak players, its probably best to raise it up and take it down on most flops.

[TheDeKay]

I usually widen my opening range, if ppl who play straight forward have limped in front of me.
Hands like QJo play very good in these cases imo, since you don't give huge implied odds but hit TP a good amount of the time... and ppl, who limp call usually don't have QJo dominated (but be aware, that some ppl limp call with KQ, too).

[Spinage]

Yeah. People limp with AQ at this limit and AJ fyi. So depending on if you have seen them do this, it really isn't worth raising QJ and getting yourself into difficult spots with them... however, if your opponent IS straightfoward, go for it.

[kgu1]

I usually make a pretty big raise with multiple limpers ( 6 to 8 BB), especially on the BTN with a marginal hand like QJ. You should raise for many reasons. First, a decent percentage of the time, they're all going to fold. For them to call a 6 to 8 BB raise, they have to have something somwhat legit in their hand. Second, hands like QJs are great hands to stack, but the ironic part is, you're really looking for anything but a pair of Q or J, b/c on the off chance villains are limping in with AQ or AJ. And on that note, the final reason to raise is that they are only going to hit the flop with AQ or AJ or any two cards only 30% of the time. And you can c-bet successfully enough to make it a profitable play, depending on the flop texture of course. Hope this helps.

[shawzee]

Thanks alot all, I'm gonna try it out and see if I can do it profitably. I was thinking I had to do something because I was playing like a bit of a nit at 15/11 and wanted to get up to a more TAGish style 18/16.

[Onetwo]

I don't understand why no one wants to limp here. We can use our position on the button with a better than average hand in a multiway pot against weak limpers. Limping in this spot is more profitable than folding. Please explain why anyone would fold preflop in this spot.

[Spinage]

Well, limping is pretty bad, coz most the time, your just check folding the flop. Maybe QJs you could limp.

The thing is, if you limp QJo, you are really ONLY looking for a straight or random QQJ board. especially with more than 2 limpers.

Anyway, much more often you will miss, or only hit TP, and when that happens you don't wanna be in difficult spots with multiple limpers..

E.G imagine you limp QJo and flop QJ4r with 3 limpers.. someone bets, you raise, someone else goes all in. What can u do but call? How often do they have 44? very often imo.

Think about the ammount of times ur getting stacked by two pair vs ur 1 pair, higher 2pair vs ur 2 pair, straights vs your 2pair. sets vs 2pair. Thats why limping is problematic in any case, because so many more hand combinations are out there, you just get owned unless you have trips+.

[Vantek]

Hmm... The extra money in the pot means you can bet bigger (which makes people more likely to fold) and get the same odds on your money, on the other hand many people being in the pot also means that it is more likely someone will have a hand they want to call with. These two things cancel each other out somewhat.

Overall, I do think you should be a bit tighter, but the effect is not much. With hands that play well multiway, I don't think you should be any tighter, possibly even a bit looser if people left to act aren't aggro. With hands that don't play well multiway (A9o, KTo etc.), yes you should be tighter.

Limping in this spot is more profitable than folding.

Is it? I'm not sure at all that it is imo.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by Vantek

Is it? I'm not sure at all that it is imo.

Connectors with some high card value work well in limped multiway pots also... So yes, limping is better than folding.

But it's easily more valuable when raised, trying to limit the flop to 2 or 3 way..