bottom two on Axx flop multi-way

[couriermike]

Not sure I played this right. What do you do here?

SB is 34/26/2, kinda bluffy aggro. He doesn't have to have anything to be c-betting here, even multi-way and oop.

MP is 47/26/2 but more fit-or-fold postflop. He has something here.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

SB ($11.85)
BB ($3)
UTG ($10.44)
MP ($9.90)
Hero (Button) ($12.42)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4, 5
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB bets $0.60, 1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.90) A, 5, 4 (3 players)
SB bets $0.90, MP raises to $2.90, Hero ?

[kgu1]

So, a few things. First, at 10NL... it's not necessary to raise in the SB w/ 45s; either flat there or fold it; you're going to be OOP the entire time w/ a marginal hand and your fold equity is quite small in 10NL (depending on your table, but most tables at limit are on the looser side).

Now, since you're already in this situation, this flop isn't the most amazing flop, but it is pretty gin like. You are crushing a lot of MP's range as he could be doing this w/ A7+ or maybe even 67. I mean... did you really raise pf w/ a 45s only to fold when you hit bottom two? I'd reraise/ship it in here.

Oh.. and if you were thinking that no way MP could limp-call w/ AJ+ pf, believe it, there are plenty of players who do.

[uofi2012]

I would not limp pre, but as played I'd shove the flop.

[ShoveOrFold]

Are you reading the HH wrong? He limped the button, not SB.

I'd prob open or fold on the button with that hand. Since BB is really short, im towards a fold since ur not getting the proper odds with this kind of hand.

Here, I'm never folding. Cbet is pretty small, so the MP can raise a lot of hands here. Plus, we have their range pretty crushed. Noone has a straight here. It is unlikely anyone has 55 or 44 because we are holding 1 of each. We are only scared of AA/A5/A4 (while A5 and A4 is still hard).

So the question is raise or call. I prefer to call and get it in on the turn. Flop is rainbow, and no real straight combos for thier hands. So when they bet the turn after we call, i feel happy shoving over, and seeing AQ or something. But if we raise flop we are only getting action by very strong hands, and folding weak hands that might bet later streets. If we let them stay in by just smooth calling, they might bet their AT-AK hands on later streets, while they might not call/raise your raise.

[Vantek]

How many hands do you have on villains?

If it's a lot, then you should not hezutate to stack because they're way too loose for their own good. Like ShoveOrFold said, the question is wether to raise or call, and like him I would also lean towards calling due to villains being aggro.

I would fold pre. You can make an argument for a raise but you don't want to limp. You only limp with hands that make the nuts, or in situation where there are many big fish in the pot, otherwise there's huge reverse implied (if you hit your flush you're gonna stack off to a nutter).

[pokerkidrjk]

cliff notes: there is value to be had here generally, don't call in spots like this Raise/ fold >>>>>>call
stack off i think- i'd min raise cos ppl always spew when they get minraised

my views on the hand are alot different- at 10NL i think you can play hands like this, making up for it by not playing like an idiot-i haven't played 10NL for ages properly- apart from making vids (which i will upload soon, to show you can play more LAG than most suggest)

i'd actually raise here, just because i have the button and that its not a bad hand to raise since they give you extra credit, and will fold or in this case you flop big.

generally id try and steer clear of doing stuff too special at 10nl especially with guys with stats you have but there is still value to be had- in this hand

read the following from 2+2

The 2+2 Forum Archives: Fear the unraised pot: SB hits top two ultradeep

The 2+2 Forum Archives: Taking stealing the blinds to next level

The 2+2 Forum Archives: Pooh-Bah Redux: Blind Stealing.

anyway glgl

Pokerkid

[kgu1]

My apologies, def. misread that HH (it was a late night). As read, would'nt flat there pf.

[no eff eks]

Call... if the board bricks out and he keeps betting big I'd just give him credit for a better hand. The turn might be a little awkward being OOP, but this kind of player is raising way too many Ax hands on this flop for you to ever consider folding at this point.

Shoving is just terribad imo. I also think preflop isn't terrible, but an open fold is probably best if you're not sure what to do in these spots.

[urbansprawler]

No eff eks and shoveorfold both had great posts here and I don't think much more can be added, but no one mentioned that the main reason you don't want to call with 54s is because of the poor SPR. With SC's and low PPs, you need a small-medium SPR to facilitate being able to shove by the river whilst not narrowing your opponents' ranges too much because you will be showing massive strength. When you are raised too much or you limp, this balance is distorted and your SCs should be folded.

[couriermike]

I like yall's suggestion about calling the flop and betting the turn. Usually I don't mind getting it in on the flop with any two pair hand at the micros because you'll get called by TP so often. So I shoved the flop and he had A5. Oh, well.